San Fran board of supervisors are insane

@sh76 said
I really hate to get parochial here, but do African Americans have a superior right to reparations historically than do Jews? True, Jewish persecution was mainly at the hands of Europeans, but the US is in many ways a successor in interest to Europe. To distinguish between the actions of Europeans whose descendants ended up in the US and the actions of Colonials who committed actions mainly prior to the forming of the government of the United States is hair-splitting.

@sh76 said
I really hate to get parochial here, but do African Americans have a superior right to reparations historically than do Jews? True, Jewish persecution was mainly at the hands of Europeans, but the US is in many ways a successor in interest to Europe. To distinguish between the actions of Europeans whose descendants ended up in the US and the actions of Colonials who committed actions mainly prior to the forming of the government of the United States is hair-splitting.

@vivify said
Isn't the stereotype that Jews are so successful they run the U.S banks and media? It is a fact that they are disproportionally represented in these areas.

@athousandyoung said
Blacks are disproportionally represented in entertainment.

@vivify said
They're overrepresented in U.S. sports, not other forms of entertainment like movies, music, television, etc.

But point made: just because Jews have succeeded doesn't mean they're not due their just compensation.

@athousandyoung said
Not in music? Are you kidding?!

Since you posted before my edit consider Kanye, until recently a billionaire.

The Jacksons, Hendrix, soul, Jazz, rap, etc etc etc

@vivify said
You said "disproportionally" represented. Whites still (and always have) dominate music charts even though blacks do quite well.

I have a very strong suspicion that both banking and media have more whites in charge than Jews.

@sh76 said
I have no quarrel with reparations to individuals who were mistreated. And payments to Native Americans are an interesting subject, as they're maid to what amounts to sovereign nations, which is a little different. But the amounts in those cases were nominal, especially compared to these outlandish proposals.

In any case, affirmative action is a form of reparations that's already being practiced.

@sh76 said
I really hate to get parochial here, but do African Americans have a superior right to reparations historically than do Jews? True, Jewish persecution was mainly at the hands of Europeans, but the US is in many ways a successor in interest to Europe. To distinguish between the actions of Europeans whose descendants ended up in the US and the actions of Colonials who committed actions mainly prior to the forming of the government of the United States is hair-splitting.

@no1marauder said
Gee, maybe we could give Blacks whatever territory they desire and turn a blind eye to them killing, dispossessing and oppressing those who currently live there.

@athousandyoung said
We did that already it’s called Liberia

@no1marauder said
That's not so; hardly any free blacks wanted to go to Liberia. https://www.historytoday.com/archive/feature/foundations-liberia#:~:text=The%20year%202020%20is%20unlikely,would%20be%20free%20of%20prejudice.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-liberia-apartheid-zionism-antisemitism

Like the Israelis who champion their freedom from antisemitism with no regard to the Palestinians, the Americo-Liberians established their independent state with no regard to the [native] Africans…

The story of Zionism and Israel are quite similar in that the idea of shipping European Jews to Palestine was also a Protestant evangelical and antisemitic idea, which the majority of European Jews opposed until the late 19th century when a minority Jewish movement came to champion it.

@no1marauder said
That's not so; hardly any free blacks wanted to go to Liberia. https://www.historytoday.com/archive/feature/foundations-liberia#:~:text=The%20year%202020%20is%20unlikely,would%20be%20free%20of%20prejudice.

https://www.historytoday.com/archive/feature/foundations-liberia

Paul Cuffe, a successful merchant of African and Native American heritage, used his wealth and transatlantic connections to move several African American families to Sierra Leone. British philanthropists had founded Sierra Leone in 1787 as a haven for black Britons, including enslaved black Americans who had secured their freedom fighting for the British in the Revolutionary War. The initial settlement struggled with high death rates and poor planning, but by 1815 the colony was on firmer footing. Cuffe’s plan to resettle African Americans there galvanised black interest in colonisation

See above article

By 1867 the ACS and Maryland Society had transported nearly 14,000 African Americans to Liberia; another 5,722 recaptive slaves, known as Congos, were also settled there.

I'd say give them a million each and send them back to Africa.