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16 Mar 23
For those people that refuse to click on the article, here's the opening statement.
"Payments of $5 million to every eligible Black adult, the elimination of personal debt and tax burdens, guaranteed annual incomes of at least $97,000 for 250 years and homes in San Francisco for just $1 a family.
These were some of the more than 100 recommendations made by a city-appointed reparations committee tasked with the thorny question of how to atone for centuries of slavery and systemic racism. And the San Francisco Board of Supervisors hearing the report for the first time Tuesday voiced enthusiastic support for the ideas listed, with some saying money should not stop the city from doing the right thing."
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16 Mar 23
@jj-adams saidwho is going to atone for this slavery going on right now with open borders?
For those people that refuse to click on the article, here's the opening statement.
"Payments of $5 million to every eligible Black adult, the elimination of personal debt and tax burdens, guaranteed annual incomes of at least $97,000 for 250 years and homes in San Francisco for just $1 a family.
These were some of the more than 100 recommendations made by a city-appoint ...[text shortened]... t for the ideas listed, with some saying money should not stop the city from doing the right thing."
libs are too dumb to understand these invaders are taking your jobs and driving down wages.
the rich getting richer but libs think dems are for the poor man
16 Mar 23
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@jj-adams saidThey won't pass something quite that insane, but they may pass something maybe with 10-20% of that level of insanity.
https://apnews.com/article/san-francisco-black-reparations-5-million-36899f7974c751950a8ce0e444f86189
There are only two questions I have:
1. Why would anyone keep living in that City to pay for this nonsense?
2. When SF goes bankrupt, will the state of California or the government of the United States bail it out and pay for this crap?
16 Mar 23
@mott-the-hoople saidActually the US has close to the lowest unemployment rate it has had in more than 50 years. https://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonytellez/2023/02/03/how-unemployment-reached-a-50-year-low-despite-massive-layoffs/
who is going to atone for this slavery going on right now with open borders?
libs are too dumb to understand these invaders are taking your jobs and driving down wages.
the rich getting richer but libs think dems are for the poor man
16 Mar 23
@sh76 saidIf people leave SF in protest of taxes then the cost of housing should go down. This should help get the homeless off the streets.
They won't pass something quite that insane, but they may pass something maybe with 10-20% of that level of insanity.
There are only two questions I have:
1. Why would anyone keep living in that City to pay for this nonsense?
2. When SF goes bankrupt, will the state of California or the government of the United States bail it out and pay for this crap?
I think this is a stupid idea btw
16 Mar 23
@sh76 saidVictims of crimes against Humanity and the Natural Law which continue to impose burdens upon them and their descendants should be compensated.
To be serious for just a moment, I hope it's obvious why the idea of reparations for something done to your great-grandparents (yes - EVEN THOUGH THOSE THINGS HAVE LEGACY IMPACTS) is not a consistently viable idea in the world, given human history.
It is hardly a compelling argument against that principle of justice that those who committed such crimes in the past didn't do so.
@sh76 saidReparations have been done before in the U.S.:
To be serious for just a moment, I hope it's obvious why the idea of reparations for something done to your great-grandparents (yes - EVEN THOUGH THOSE THINGS HAVE LEGACY IMPACTS) is not a consistently viable idea in the world, given human history.
https://www.history.com/news/reparations-slavery-native-americans-japanese-internment
The recipients include decedents of Native Hawaiians, Japanese internment victims and Native Americans.
Putting aside the fact that these reparations were grossly insufficient for the crimes committed against their ancestors, the U.S. has consistently given reparations and yet is still "viable" as a nation.
16 Mar 23
@athousandyoung saidThough actually it might have only been directly to the victims not their descendants
I believe the Germans paid reparations to Israel
16 Mar 23
@athousandyoung saidYou saved me the trouble of typing this, but yes, reparations to the victims themselves is something totally different. The Nazis wiped out a good chunk of my ancestry and my father's father got out just in the nick of time, but the modern day Germans don't owe me anything. I'll settle for having them treat me respectfully and maybe expressing a little contrition for their history (which they do).
Though actually it might have only been directly to the victims not their descendants
Virtually all of us have had ancestors who were mistreated to one degree or another. Whose ancestors were treated worse than whose is very debatable and we can fight about it until the cows come home. Equality of opportunity as things stand now is sufficient.
16 Mar 23
@vivify saidI have no quarrel with reparations to individuals who were mistreated. And payments to Native Americans are an interesting subject, as they're maid to what amounts to sovereign nations, which is a little different. But the amounts in those cases were nominal, especially compared to these outlandish proposals.
Reparations have been done before in the U.S.:
https://www.history.com/news/reparations-slavery-native-americans-japanese-internment
The recipients include decedents of Native Hawaiians, Japanese internment victims and Native Americans.
Putting aside the fact that these reparations were grossly insufficient for the crimes committed against their ancestors, the U.S. has consistently given reparations and yet is still "viable" as a nation.
In any case, affirmative action is a form of reparations that's already being practiced.
16 Mar 23
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I really hate to get parochial here, but do African Americans have a superior right to reparations historically than do Jews? True, Jewish persecution was mainly at the hands of Europeans, but the US is in many ways a successor in interest to Europe. To distinguish between the actions of Europeans whose descendants ended up in the US and the actions of Colonials who committed actions mainly prior to the forming of the government of the United States is hair-splitting.
16 Mar 23
@sh76 saidhttps://guides.library.umass.edu/reparations
But the amounts in those cases were nominal, especially compared to these outlandish proposals.
Navajo-Hopi Rehabilitation Act was passed, authorizing an appropriation of $88,570,000
Around $1 billion + 44 million acres of land: Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act.
A class action lawsuit by black farmers against the United States Department of Agriculture was settled by a consent decree, leading to nearly $1 billion in payments to plaintiffs. The lawsuit alleged systematic racial discrimination in the allocation of farm loans from 1981 to 1996. A further $1.2 billion was appropriated by Congress for the second part of the settlement
Large payments have been made before. I don't think the amount proposed in the OP is feasible but as you mentioned, such settlements usually result in 1/10th of the original proposal.