Originally posted by finneganNothing worth doing is easy. And usually easy is deceptive.
Yes an ethical consumer, or one simply seeking healthy food options, can indeed duck and dive around the pressures of the big suppliers. It is not easy and the path is littered with traps - put there precisely to deceive you. To take one example only it is murderously difficult to find almost any food that is free of sugar (ask a diabetic). You can go for t ...[text shortened]... of independence against the British Empire).
Freedom? Far too much bother for you I fear.
Your examples of the excesses of government, and positively infantile positions they take, as well as the fact that they can be bribed by big business, make them useless as regulators. Government at the Federal level in the US was intended to be specific and limited. The founders are rolling over in their graves over the abuses of the Constitution.
Voting ought not be about individual programs and laws, referendums. We get a chance to vote for representatives at specific and differing frequencies. The Senate was not elected directly until 1913, a bad year for the Constitution.
Originally posted by normbenignOnly a fanatic would deny the fact that consumers are far safer with inspection laws then they would be without them.
What happens when you get food poisoning with the FDA in place? There are not, nor could there be enough inspectors. What happens when a drug approved by the FDA starts killing people. All the FDA does is give us a false sense of security and confidence. It is you who are naive.
Never mind unscrupulous. Just think of possible mistakes. The FDA pr ...[text shortened]... have to trust some inspector they don't know, who may or may not actually inspect anything.
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"All the FDA does is give us a false sense of security and confidence. It is you who are naive."
Sorry, I do understand the limitations of the FDA and in many cases their decisions are unfortunately "bought and paid for by big business". However, if you think that the citizens of the nation are best served by less regulation it is you who are seriously misguided. I suggest you study your history and go back to the mid to late 1800s and view the nature of food, medicine in this country.
Originally posted by kbear1knorm doesn't do history.
"All the FDA does is give us a false sense of security and confidence. It is you who are naive."
Sorry, I do understand the limitations of the FDA and in many cases their decisions are unfortunately "bought and paid for by big business". However, if you think that the citizens of the nation are best served by less regulation it is you who are seriously mi ...[text shortened]... and go back to the mid to late 1800s and view the nature of food, medicine in this country.
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Originally posted by kbear1kDon't you know that "collectivists" like Stalin and Mao killed tens of millions? Therefore food and drug inspection by the government will lead to mass murder:
"All the FDA does is give us a false sense of security and confidence. It is you who are naive."
Sorry, I do understand the limitations of the FDA and in many cases their decisions are unfortunately "bought and paid for by big business". However, if you think that the citizens of the nation are best served by less regulation it is you who are seriously mi ...[text shortened]... and go back to the mid to late 1800s and view the nature of food, medicine in this country.
"According to them, any intervention of the state in economic life," a prominent conservative economist once observed of the early neoliberals, "would be likely to lead, and even lead inevitably to a completely collectivist Society, Gestapo and gas chamber included."
From this excellent article on Robert Nozick in Slate: http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/the_dilettante/2011/06/the_liberty_scam.5.html
Originally posted by kbear1kThat is the totally absurd argument often made by no1. Comparing anything in the early 21st century to the middle of the 19th is patently absurd. It is a different place and time, and we have no way of knowing what history might have looked like if things were done differently.
"All the FDA does is give us a false sense of security and confidence. It is you who are naive."
Sorry, I do understand the limitations of the FDA and in many cases their decisions are unfortunately "bought and paid for by big business". However, if you think that the citizens of the nation are best served by less regulation it is you who are seriously mi ...[text shortened]... and go back to the mid to late 1800s and view the nature of food, medicine in this country.
Originally posted by normbenignA definition of an insane person is one who does the same thing, but expects different results. The results we got under a laissez faire approach to food and drug safety were predictable and we'd get similar results if we foolishly returned to such policies.
That is the totally absurd argument often made by no1. Comparing anything in the early 21st century to the middle of the 19th is patently absurd. It is a different place and time, and we have no way of knowing what history might have looked like if things were done differently.
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Originally posted by no1marauderI think he is totaly mad, or he has been assimilated by Fox News.
A definition of an insane person is one who does the same thing, but expects different results. The results we got under a laissez faire approach to food and drug safety were predictable and we'd get similar results if we foolishly returned to such policies.