Originally posted by WajomaI'm sure the earth's lungs disappearing in the form of Amazonian rainforests being cleared at an alarming rate to keep you stocked up with cheeseburgers is also another bleary eyed statistic that's simply been over-manipulated just to get a reaction. I'm sure I have nothing to worry about. No doubt market forces will decide what's best for me and if they kill off all the trees to give me more choice at the hyper mall I'm sure its in my best interest.
No we wouldn't want to go to the water. Presenting the amount of water cattle drink alongside how many people die of thirst, or how much grain cattle consume alongside how many people (or was it children? much more emotive to use children or poor widdle bubbies) die of hunger proves nothing except how gullible some people are.
A cow drinking a gallon of ...[text shortened]... convert it to rice, no need for all these hollow threats about "fighting" in a revolution.
Read "How to die by ignoring trends" CDF.
Originally posted by kmax87Amazonian rainforest is not the earths lungs = just another exaggeration.
I'm sure the earth's lungs disappearing in the form of Amazonian rainforests being cleared at an alarming rate to keep you stocked up with cheeseburgers is also another bleary eyed statistic that's simply been over-manipulated just to get a reaction. I'm sure I have nothing to worry about. No doubt market forces will decide what's best for me and if they kill ...[text shortened]... yper mall I'm sure its in my best interest.
Read "How to die by ignoring trends" CDF.
I don't eat cheeseburgers nor to the best of my knowledge south american beef = unsubstantiated lies and exaggerations.
Market forces will not decide what is best for you kmax, nor will guvamint, that's for you to do, it's your life, grab it with both hands and live it, you will not die from trees being cut down in South America.
"...they kill off all the trees.." = this goes beyond exaggeration, if I could feel embarrassment for anothers actions I'd be hiding in the wardrobe for you by now.
"How to die by ignoring trends" CDF. I provide the title and author of a book that has sold over half a million copies, you provide a poor attempt at wit.
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Originally posted by kmax87The painful truth is that no one can stop the deforestation of the Amazon but the South Americans. And regardless of what you eat or do or say, there is no way they will stop.
I'm sure the earth's lungs disappearing in the form of Amazonian rainforests being cleared at an alarming rate to keep you stocked up with cheeseburgers is also another bleary eyed statistic that's simply been over-manipulated just to get a reaction. I'm sure I have nothing to worry about. No doubt market forces will decide what's best for me and if they kill ...[text shortened]... yper mall I'm sure its in my best interest.
Read "How to die by ignoring trends" CDF.
If you stop buying beef, they will clear to plant coffee. If you stop buying coffee, they will slash-and-burn to create subsistance farms, planting three crops of corn and beans and moving on.
This is the "right" of all developing nations -- to gang-rape their natural resources. The US is no different -- try to find original-growth forest in the US. There are only fragments left here and there.
This is how the Amazon will end as well.
Originally posted by kmax87This isn't quite right. A lot of land that is used for grazing would produce marginal crops. And to produce good crops year after year you have to fertilize. Animals produce natural "fertilizer".
Too right. Not many cattle go hungry everyday. One hectare to feed one person beef, or the same hectare can simultabeously feed just under 20 people rice or some other staple grain crop. Lets not even go to the water the cattle consume. The worlds cattle get fed enough grain that could feed the world(all of its citizens) ten times over. So come the revolution ...[text shortened]... op the clearing of Amazonian rainforrests needed to keep feeding the meat tables of this planet?
As for bovine off-gassing-- what was the net effect of replacing billions of liters of bison gas with cattle gas? I've never studied the frequency and volume of bison farts (post-doc anyone?)
As for water, African cattle breeds are highly drought-resistant. If you try to raise Charollais everywhere --well, yes, they drink lots of water because France (where they originated) has lots of water.
Originally posted by spruce112358And this attitude is helpful to humanity... how, exactly?
The painful truth is that no one can stop the deforestation of the Amazon but the South Americans. And regardless of what you eat or do or say, there is no way they will stop.
If you stop buying beef, they will clear to plant coffee. If you stop buying coffee, they will slash-and-burn to create subsistance farms, planting three crops of corn and bean ...[text shortened]... US. There are only fragments left here and there.
This is how the Amazon will end as well.
Originally posted by JigtieWrong question. Right question: the destruction of the Amazon is harmful to humanity, how exactly? Most of the ancient forests in Europe, North America and Asia have been destroyed and people there are doing better now than they were when those forests still existed.
And this attitude is helpful to humanity... how, exactly?
Originally posted by KazetNagorraI'm still mourning the loss of Lebanon's cedars...
Wrong question. Right question: the destruction of the Amazon is harmful to humanity, how exactly? Most of the ancient forests in Europe, North America and Asia have been destroyed and people there are doing better now than they were when those forests still existed.
Originally posted by WajomaIn this day and age to still be hiding in the closet!
this goes beyond exaggeration, if I could feel embarrassment for anothers actions I'd be hiding in the wardrobe for you by now.
I am making choices and not letting it all be decided for me. Somethings start in little ways. A word here a concept there and before you know it ideas snowball and people say hey politician what you're going to do about it.
Consuming on cue by being fed a certain diet of Pavlovian responses takes the same amount of choice on your the consumers part as making slightly more informed choices that have better outcomes. Why is it then that whenever anyone suggests a more considered path, all you can respond with is a negative fatalism of promoting the lowest common denominator of societal apathy and say well that's all you can ever expect. If you don't like ideas, then stay away from forums that encourage them.
Originally posted by spruce112358Considering how we accept armed interference across other nations borders when the nations in question pose some perceived threat to national security (Iraq,Afghanistan....) then who's to say that the same strategy can't be deployed in South America? Protecting the environment sounds like a much better reason for superpower intervention than WMD ever was.
The painful truth is that no one can stop the deforestation of the Amazon but the South Americans. And regardless of what you eat or do or say, there is no way they will stop.
Originally posted by KazetNagorraEvery analogy is flawed at some level. They are not meant to accurately describe the thing they refer to in every minute detail. That's why we call them analogies.
You do know that forests don't actually take up any CO2? They just store some of it. Therefore the analogy with lungs is flawed.
And unless my high school science was really dodgy during photosynthesis plants/trees take up CO2 and give off O2. During the night when the respire they take up O2 and give off CO2. They take up a lot more than they give up though so whether or not lungs are a bad analogy, however the process or whatever you make of the transport of gasses via osmotic pressure, there is a movement of gasses associated with flora and the nett balance is in favor of reducing the CO2 in the atmosphere.
Originally posted by kmax87Your view of photosynthesis is correct but you do not see the whole picture. If a plant dies and rots away all the CO2 absorbed by the plant will be emitted again by bacteria decomposing the plant.
Every analogy is flawed at some level. They are not meant to accurately describe the thing they refer to in every minute detail. That's why we call them analogies.
And unless my high school science was really dodgy during photosynthesis plants/trees take up CO2 and give off O2. During the night when the respire they take up O2 and give off CO2. They take u ...[text shortened]... s associated with flora and the nett balance is in favor of reducing the CO2 in the atmosphere.