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Second dose for a health 12 year old boy?

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sh76
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I'm paralyzed with indecision right now. My son's second dose is scheduled for this week. It's not that I haven't done my research. It's that the people I trust are basically split 50-50 on this. The CDC says yes, but I'm not exactly enthralled with the CDC right now. If my son had COVID already, I'd certainly not get him a second dose. But, as far as I know, he never had it. He got is first dose 3 weeks ago.

Some of the factors:

Yes:

- Delta is spreading rapidly
- The mRNA vaccines were designed to be 2-dose vaccines. Without a second dose, you're not fully protected.
- As the Fall wears on and possibly my antibodies wane from my winter vax, I don't want my son bringing home Delta
- After school starts, we can expect class-wide outbreaks and so getting the maximum possible protection makes sense

No:

- Low but real associations between myocarditis and 2-dose mRNA vaccines, particularly in young boys
- Low risk to a healthy 12 year old from COVID anyway
- One dose confers substantial protection anyway
- We can always do the second dose later and possibly even extend protection
- As happened in GB, Netherlands and other places, Delta can wane very quickly and so possibly wait and see for a few more weeks makes sense.

Anyway, I've read all I could about this and opinions are basically split down the middle on this. The pediatrician says a very soft yes, but doesn't seem enthusiastic about it. Anyone seen anything recently that is persuasive one way or the other?

(Aside from general anti-vax stuff, please)

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You’ve done your research??

And here I am thinking we have doctors and professionals with years of training to do the medical research for us.

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The biggest COVID issue humanity is facing right now are new variants. While the Delta variant is the new baddie in town, there's no telling what may come after.

Not only would vaccinating your son help further the prospect of herd immunity, but it may also guard your son from future variants. COVID variants are progressively becoming more contagious and deadlier. Hesitancy toward inoculations is one reason why.

I'm sure you already know vaccines don't guarantee protection against all variants, and even vaccinated people have been affected by the Delta variant. Still, vaccines are the best defense we have no right now. There's no better course of action available to protect your son from future variants. Even if your son still gets sick from some new COVID strain, vaccines will boost his immunity and help fight it off.

As you once mentioned, COVID is likely here to stay, and may not go away. This likely means we'll eventually see a deadlier strain of COVID. Do all you can now to protect your son from whatever comes in the future.

When (not if) a new strain comes, you may not have the luxury of time to get your son fully vaccinated if he's not already.

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@great-king-rat said
You’ve done your research??

And here I am thinking we have doctors and professionals with years of training to do the medical research for us.
Doctors dont know everything especially about this Covid virus. The fart that they have been disagreeing from the very start should make you distrust them. Dont get complacent and lazy about you own welfare when people call themselves professionals. Sh76 is right to do his own research and make his own decisions.

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@vivify said
The biggest COVID issue humanity is facing right now are new variants. While the Delta variant is the new baddie in town, there's no telling what may come after.

Not only would vaccinating your son help further the prospect of herd immunity, but it may also guard your son from future variants. COVID variants are progressively becoming more contagious and deadlier. Hesi ...[text shortened]... strain comes, you may not have the luxury or time get your son fully vaccinated if he's not already.
Its going to be constant booster shots every year for the next ten years.

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@rajk999 said
Doctors dont know everything especially about this Covid virus. The farc that they have been disagreeing from the very start should make you distrust them. Dont get complacent and lazy about you own welfare when people call themselves professionals.
The only research available is the same ones doctors and scientists already use. You're not going to scour the internet for some information not already known to professionals.

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@great-king-rat said
You’ve done your research??

And here I am thinking we have doctors and professionals with years of training to do the medical research for us.
Right. And what do you do when the doctors and professionals with years of training that do the medical research are basically split down the middle and there are compelling arguments on both sides?

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@rajk999 said
Its going to be constant booster shots every year for the next ten years.
That's (unfortunately) a real possibility.

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@vivify said
The only research available is the same ones doctors and scientists already use. You're not going to scour the internet for some information not already known to professionals.
Not really the whole story ... doctors take sides, and in doing that they ignore the facts produced by the other side. Someone looking for a balanced view on which to make his own decision can and should seek alternative views.

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FYI, if you want to see a well-reasoned, well-thought out discussion leaning towards no, here's a good article to read.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/second-opinions/93340

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@vivify said
That's (unfortunately) a real possibility.
Why so unfortunate? Moderna is already working on combining a COVID/flu shot. So we'll get a COVID vax every year with out flu vax. Doesn't seem so terrible to me.

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@vivify said
That's (unfortunately) a real possibility.
Yeah and brace yourself for some serious changes in lifestyles all over the world.

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@rajk999 said
Not really the whole story ... doctors take sides, and in doing that they ignore the facts produced by the other side. Someone looking for a balanced view on which to make his own decision can and should seek alternative views.
You're correct.

One question: is there any other time vaccines *aren't* recommended for children old enough and healthy enough to get one?

If there isn't, then it seems vaccines are the way to go when indecisive.

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@sh76 said
Why so unfortunate? Moderna is already working on combining a COVID/flu shot. So we'll get a COVID vax every year with out flu vax. Doesn't seem so terrible to me.
Did you hear about this in the 60s ? I was a little boy when this happened. This Covid drugs are not being tested properly and serious sideeffects can appear later on.

THE THALIDOMIDE TRAGEDY: LESSONS FOR DRUG SAFETY AND REGULATION

https://helix.northwestern.edu/article/thalidomide-tragedy-lessons-drug-safety-and-regulation

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@sh76 said
Why so unfortunate? Moderna is already working on combining a COVID/flu shot. So we'll get a COVID vax every year with out flu vax. Doesn't seem so terrible to me.
It's unfortunate because COVID-19 had a realistic possibility of disappearing. Had the world united to adhere to lockdowns and mask requirements at the beginning, the novel corona virus could've been contained.

Now it's another headache humanity has deal with. Deaths from COVID will continue, just like how there are people who die each year from the flu.

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