@wildgrass saidThe pseud known as shag doody for brains:
it is a bit of careful linguistics from the defenders. A coup is defined by a successful outcome.
Seditious conspiracy is not.
"If your coup fails (whether planned or not) , yer fukked.
And their coup failed. They’re fukked."
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@wildgrass saidAttempted coup. That is what sedition is.
it is a bit of careful linguistics from the defenders. A coup is defined by a successful outcome.
Seditious conspiracy is not.
Conspiracy to attempt a coup. Like what Trump tried to do in Venezuela and failed.
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/3556437-john-bolton-says-hes-been-involved-in-planning-coups-it-takes-a-lot-of-work/
@wildgrass saidI was addressing the pseud known as shag doody for brains and using the language he used to do so.
Yah failed coup. Like someone who runs only half a marathon but thinks that failure is worth celebrating so they put a 13.1 sticker on their car.
@wildgrass saidMaybe it would be more accurate to call it a "pre-coup"; it wasn't trying to overthrow the existing government but rather prevent a legal transfer of power.
Yah failed coup. Like someone who runs only half a marathon but thinks that failure is worth celebrating so they put a 13.1 sticker on their car.
@no1marauder said"Sedition," conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch, is exactly the correct word for what happened, and for which some people have been justly convicted. Whether the rebellion succeeds or not is irrelevant. We are waiting for the instigator-in-chief to be indicted.
Maybe it would be more accurate to call it a "pre-coup"; it wasn't trying to overthrow the existing government but rather prevent a legal transfer of power.
@moonbus saidUnless there's evidence we're unaware of, I doubt Trump will be indicted for "instigating" January 6th.
"Sedition," conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch, is exactly the correct word for what happened, and for which some people have been justly convicted. Whether the rebellion succeeds or not is irrelevant. We are waiting for the instigator-in-chief to be indicted.
His words were clear enough to convey a message of what he wanted the mob to do, but vague enough to avoid criminal charges IMO.
@moonbus saidI do that all of the time. I have never been convicted of sedition. Speech is not illegal in the USA. We have the first constitutional amendment here in the USA.
"Sedition," conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch, is exactly the correct word for what happened, and for which some people have been justly convicted. Whether the rebellion succeeds or not is irrelevant. We are waiting for the instigator-in-chief to be indicted.
@no1marauder said"His words were clear enough to convey a message of what he wanted the mob to do"
Unless there's evidence we're unaware of, I doubt Trump will be indicted for "instigating" January 6th.
His words were clear enough to convey a message of what he wanted the mob to do, but vague enough to avoid criminal charges IMO.
And what was that? Be specific.
@metal-brain said"If we allow this group of people to illegally take over our country because it's illegal when the votes are illegal when the way they got there is illegal when the states that vote are given false and fraudulent information."
"His words were clear enough to convey a message of what he wanted the mob to do"
And what was that? Be specific.
"And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore."
"So we're going to, we're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue. And we're going to the Capitol, and we're going to try and give."
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial
What could they do at the Capitol on January 6th 2021 to "fight like hell" or they wouldn't have a "country anymore"?
@no1marauder saidWander about and take some selfies?
"If we allow this group of people to illegally take over our country because it's illegal when the votes are illegal when the way they got there is illegal when the states that vote are given false and fraudulent information."
"And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore."
"So we're going to, we're going to walk down Pennsylvania Ave ...[text shortened]... o at the Capitol on January 6th 2021 to "fight like hell" or they wouldn't have a "country anymore"?
@metal-brain saidIncitement to riot is illegal and not covered by the BoR.
I do that all of the time. I have never been convicted of sedition. Speech is not illegal in the USA. We have the first constitutional amendment here in the USA.