@Duchess64
You have that saved to your computer lol.
Really we should label all sex as rape. It would really clear things up.
@eladar saidSomething tells me you were not voted in as "Most likely to become a brain surgeon" in your school.
As I said, define all sex as rape. Why should a person be taken advantage of simply because hormones are out of wack.
@earl-of-trumps saidWhy do you say that? Obviously both men and women are driven by hormones to have sex, if it was not for the hormones they would not want to have sex, therefore taking advantage of hormones is rape.
Something tells me you were not voted in as "Most likely to become a brain surgeon" in your school.
If the same logic applies to alcohol, then it should apply to hormones.
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@shavixmir saidWith you there Shag, from two positions:
Yes. All drugs should be legalized.
What you do with the drugs should sometimes be criminal.
Like the Rohypnol example Dutchess gives. Administering a drug to someone without explicit consent should obviously be criminal.
Unlike Dutchess, I don’t believe legalization will make administering date rape drugs more common.
The sort of motherfukker who does that will do it regardless of legality.
1/ It's your body, you can do what you like with it as long as you bear the consequences. If you abuse drugs or abuse sitting on the couch in front of the telly playing vid games bingeing netflix or risk injury through reckless careless behavior, or indulge in dangerous promiscuous sex resulting in STDs, you must bear the consequences of that and not expect the goobermint to hobble productive people with ever more stifling taxes to pay for your own bad choices.
2/ Drug laws do more harm than good, this point has been done to death here: gang turf wars, wildly varying potency resulting in ODs, high risks = high prices = greater incentives to buy, sell, manufacture drugs. If drugs don't ruin your life the police/legal/jail system will. Some people will still destroy their lives with drugs but all this other stuff will go away. IMO the far lesser evil of two unpleasant options, hey that's life, things aren't always going to go by your master plan.
Then start thinking about why people choose the escape of drugs.
The big stick deterrent isn't working.
@whodey saidYes, well I did a quick google search, according to Wikipedia there were:
Drugs kill far more people than guns, yet Leftists are obsessed with legalizing drugs and restricting guns.
And when asked why drugs should be legalized, they say that people will do it anyway and our jails are too full by continuing to lock these people up, but when asked about guns it is the opposite attitude of government having the power and might and jail space to rest ...[text shortened]... n high on various mind altering substances, so their illogic and insanity begins to make more sense.
In 2017, gun deaths reached their highest level since 1968 with 39,773 deaths by firearm, of which 23,854 were by suicide and 14,542 were homicides. The rate of firearm deaths per 100,000 people rose from 10.3 per 100,000 in 1999 to 12 per 100,000 in 2017, with 109 people dying per day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
According to the CDC there were 70,000 drug related deaths in 2017, but that annual average has been increasing:
Drug overdose deaths continue to impact communities in the United States. From 1999 to 2017, more than 702,000 people have died from a drug overdose. In 2017, more than 70,000 people died from drug overdoses, making it a leading cause of injury-related death in the United States. Sixty-eight percent of those deaths involved a prescription or illicit opioid. On average, 130 Americans die every day from an opioid overdose.
[Later on the same page]
Overdoses involving opioids killed more than 47,000 people in 2017, and 36% of those deaths involved prescription opioids.
https://www.cdc.gov/injury/features/prescription-drug-overdose/index.html
Now for some arithmetic, take that 702,000 number and divide by 20 (I'll let you off the 1). That gives 35,100 which is less than the number of firearms deaths in 2017.
Cannabis is not an opioid, do you understand that? One third of the opioid deaths were using prescription drugs and two thirds of the firearms deaths were suicides. So, a major part of the drugs problem is prescription drugs, not recreational ones, legal or otherwise, and a major part of the gun deaths problem is enabling suicides. How about you stop trivialising real issues whodey?
@earl-of-trumps saidI take no drugs, not even a statin. Never touched or smoked a cigarette. How can there be a guy like me on this Forum?? I am sure I am in the minority, and alas, cannot speak to this issue. I do not even undrstand it, or how it can exist. To me, drugs medicate people. I know not of what else you speak!!!!
Somewhere along the way, a line in the sand has to be drawn.
Yes, of course, alcohol and tobacco are bad for you. This can be mitigated.
But when I see drug rehab centers opening across America the way we saw McDonald's open up across America in the 70's, there is a huge problem.
I am a libertarian and this is one plank in their platform that I disagree with, ...[text shortened]... sh out? Mitigate that.
Just say "NO" to legalizing drugs. pssst, and please don't take them, too.
The post that was quoted here has been removedBased upon which facts?
Facts, not your opinions which are based on air.
Do you think it’s hard to get hold of date rape drugs? Of course not. So if they’re legal or not, a person so inclined is going to get hold of them anyway. Maybe even buying them is legal, but you have to ID yourself...
And you can always get someone drunk. I’m pretty sure most men who drink with women don’t end up bloody raping them. I don’t know what sort of people you hang out with.
Rape is about power and not about sex.
People who want to rape already do it. The status of rape makes no difference.
And that certainly does not mean I think it should be legalized, which is what you seem to be implying.
@shavixmir saidMaybe it depends on the country.
Most people consider that rape.
If the couple were married would you consider it rape?