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  1. Standard member DrKF
    incipit parodia
    01 Oct '10 18:49
    Some people think so:

    http://bigthink.com/ideas/22893

    But you know what? I bet not everyone here does...
  2. 01 Oct '10 18:50
    Some people here think everything should be free. Well at least for them it should be free
  3. Standard member DrKF
    incipit parodia
    01 Oct '10 18:51
    Originally posted by highdraw
    Some people here think everything should be free. Well at least for them it should be free
    Thanks for your thoughtful input.
  4. 01 Oct '10 19:44 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by DrKF
    Some people think so:

    http://bigthink.com/ideas/22893

    But you know what? I bet not everyone here does...
    if we are serious about looking for ways to reduce consumption of fossil fuels, this is the sort of thing we need to consider.

    since this would be almost entirely a state or local issue, those who are tax-averse can make sure to live in red states and let the blue states and blue cities experiment with this to see how well it works.

    HOWEVER -- the first order of business needs to be getting all the budgets under control. Once that has been done, this idea should definitely be looked at - but any proposals must be accompanied with the tax increases and-or spending cuts that will pay for it.
  5. 01 Oct '10 20:30
    Originally posted by DrKF
    Some people think so:

    http://bigthink.com/ideas/22893

    But you know what? I bet not everyone here does...
    does anyone in govt think the business of govt is providing anything for free?

    if not, how are we going to get free transportation?
  6. Standard member DrKF
    incipit parodia
    01 Oct '10 20:33
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    does anyone in govt think the business of govt is providing anything for free?

    if not, how are we going to get free transportation?
    Free at the point of use. Don't act dim.
  7. Standard member MacSwain
    Who is John Galt?
    01 Oct '10 20:42
    Originally posted by DrKF
    Free at the point of use. Don't act dim.
    The vail lifts. Nothing of value is free. The question is who pays? The usual course of this thinking is: Those who don't use public transportationa at all must pay for all those who do. Isn't that the idea?
  8. 01 Oct '10 20:44
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    does anyone in govt think the business of govt is providing anything for free?

    if not, how are we going to get free transportation?
    the article is very clear about this:

    The key is to scale an already-subsidized industry with select free-fare groups into a system-wide program free to all. This would create a tipping point toward more people using public transportation. "Of course public transportation has to be paid for,” writes Wright, “but it should not be paid for through the purchase of tickets by individual riders—it should be paid for by society as a whole through the one mechanism we have available for this, taxation."


    the issue is whether or not the people living in a given city or state might consider levying a tax to cover the costs of a "free public transit system" -- and as I said before, if the whole thought of levying taxes makes your hair stand on end, you can always move to a place that's not as blue.
  9. 01 Oct '10 20:48
    Originally posted by MacSwain
    The vail lifts. Nothing of value is free. The question is who pays? The usual course of this thinking is: Those who don't use public transportationa at all must pay for all those who do. Isn't that the idea?
    yes - that is the idea - and believe it or not, there are places where people are willing to pay taxes for something that is of general value to the public - even if they personally might not benefit from it. (the article mentioned Clemson, SC, Chapel Hill, NC, Park City, UT, and Big Island, HI, -- and a bus system in Baltimore).

    if you don't like this idea, avoid these places.
  10. Standard member DrKF
    incipit parodia
    01 Oct '10 20:53
    Originally posted by MacSwain
    The vail lifts. Nothing of value is free. The question is who pays? The usual course of this thinking is: Those who don't use public transportationa at all must pay for all those who do. Isn't that the idea?
    There would have been no veil if you'd read the article.
  11. 01 Oct '10 21:49
    Subsidize what you want to increase, tax what you want to diminish.

    Free public transportation is simply the government subsidizing public transportation.

    Anyone complaining about free public transportation should also be complaining about anything the government subsidizes.
  12. 01 Oct '10 23:18
    Originally posted by DrKF.

    http://bigthink.com/ideas/22893

    But you know what? I bet not everyone here does...[/b]
    I don't think it should be free, although I could see reducing the cost for everyone and not just low-income riders. I see no compelling reason for the government to provide everyone with transportation from Point A to Point B, especially since bus routes are not set up in ways that make them accessible to everyone. For example, my stepmother lives in the same city I do, but she'd have to get a 2-4 mile ride to the nearest bus stop. I would have to leave home three hours earlier to take the bus to work, while it's only a half-hour drive. In cities having an extensive public transportation system that would benefit everyone, I can see where it might be a handy idea. However, even then I fail to see why transportation should be free but so many people think that medical care is a luxury for the lucky who are born to parents with decent jobs.
  13. Standard member Agerg
    The 'edit'or
    02 Oct '10 01:26
    I generally avoid public transport for any journeys less than 6 miles (opting for walking or cycling) for 1 reason above all others - the public
  14. 02 Oct '10 03:23
    HOAs have copayments for a reason.
  15. 02 Oct '10 03:39
    Originally posted by DrKF
    Some people think so:

    http://bigthink.com/ideas/22893

    But you know what? I bet not everyone here does...
    Nothing is free. That is a progressive lie.