02 Feb 05
In the past, she has been invited to speak and told to sit down and shut up - without the marae elders intervening. That reduced her to tears.
Last year, it was the bash, with a crowd of people abusing her and jostling. Other visitors have been spat upon and pelted with mud. Year after year, the same farce.
So why go to a place that treats her and her office without respect?
02 Feb 05
Originally posted by steerpikeFor non-New Zealanders I shall attempt to explain.
In the past, she has been invited to speak and told to sit down and shut up - without the marae elders intervening. That reduced her to tears.
Last year, it was the bash, with a crowd of people abusing her and jostling. Other visitors have been spat upon and pelted with mud. Year after year, the same farce.
So why go to a place that treats her and her office without respect?
Helen is Helen Clark the primeminister of New Zealand.
Coming up is Waitangi day, the commemoration of the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi in 1840 (I think it was 1840).
There has been much controversy over the Treaty thanks to some differing opinions on what it entitles Maori to and the way grievances are handled.
Waitangi the place is where the major ceremony happen on Waitangi day (strangely enough). In the past primeministers with policies away from what Maori want have been badly treated (heckled, mud, spat on etc.).
And there we are in a nutshell.
02 Feb 05
Originally posted by VargPretty much. Worse so with an election coming up. Although the opposition did help her case slightly by recently saying in a speech single parents should consider giving their kids up for adoption instead of going on the Family Assistance Benefit.
Thanks for the explanation. I don't know anything about it, but what do you think would happen if she didn't go? Would she be accused of ignoring/snubbing the maori i.e. damned if she does, damned if she doesn't?
02 Feb 05
Originally posted by XanthosNZPerhaps she wil tell everyone the Maori invented rugby and she intends to divert millions of dollars from frivolous uses like hip replacements and providing primary schools to providing ´full and final payments'?
Pretty much. Worse so with an election coming up. Although the opposition did help her case slightly by recently saying in a speech single parents should consider giving their kids up for adoption instead of going on the Family Assistance Benefit.
02 Feb 05
Originally posted by XanthosNZI say we should make this ritual our own here in Europe!!
For non-New Zealanders I shall attempt to explain.
Helen is Helen Clark the primeminister of New Zealand.
Coming up is Waitangi day, the commemoration of the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi in 1840 (I think it was 1840).
There has been much controversy over the Treaty thanks to some differing opinions on what it entitles Maori to and the way grievance ...[text shortened]... want have been badly treated (heckled, mud, spat on etc.).
And there we are in a nutshell.
I say Blair, Berlesconi or The Dutch Prime-minister...whatever the hell his name is... should be pelted with crap anywhere and everywhere they show their ugly bloody heads!
04 Feb 05
Originally posted by steerpikea small inconvenience from some Maori who harbour grievances about their ancestors having been forcibly kicked off their land, murdered for their land and legislated off their land- if you owned a home now, nicely settled in with your family, neigbours,friends in a co-operative community and some foreigners came to your country and (even though they were welcomed) out of envy kicked you off your land and took possession of all your property and house and community property would you laugh that off?
In the past, she has been invited to speak and told to sit down and shut up - without the marae elders intervening. That reduced her to tears.
Last year, it was the bash, with a crowd of people abusing her and jostling. Other visitors have been spat upon and pelted with mud. Year after year, the same farce.
So why go to a place that treats her and her office without respect?
...other Maori are peeved about the health stats (why are Maori dying 8- 10 years (on av.) before their Pakeha countrymen?), crime stats (did you know that 'white' collar crime is costing our country 100x more than the 'Maori' crime - so why the focus on 'Maori' crime?) the education stats, the law processes....
what would you do? go terrorist....or signal your discontent with the odd t-shirt throwing, mud slinging or verbal tirade? Maori have chosen the very tame 2nd option - think yourself lucky your dealing with patient, and in many cases forgiving Maori people! 😉
04 Feb 05
Originally posted by TinorangatiratangaOf course, they could just get on with their lives without moaning on about something that happened over 150 years ago.
a small inconvenience from some Maori who harbour grievances about their ancestors having been forcibly kicked off their land, murdered for their land and legislated off their land- if you owned a home now, nicely settled in with your family, neigbours,friends in a co-operative community and some foreigners came to your country and (even though th ...[text shortened]... - think yourself lucky your dealing with patient, and in many cases forgiving Maori people! 😉
05 Feb 05
Originally posted by ivangriceit happens everyday,I take it you have no idea?
Of course, they could just get on with their lives without moaning on about something that happened over 150 years ago.
As usual you are focusing on the victims(Maori) in a minimalistic way, not the perpetrators of the murder and unlawful acts.
lets dabate the social inequalities in NZ, or are they 'natural'?
06 Feb 05
Originally posted by TinorangatiratangaWho cares about a small city of two million who can't even come to terms with a brief history of stupid events causing stupid people to be even more stupid? I am getting my revenge. To every creep who treated me like dirt and told me to do my best. I am. Always. Enjoy. Kiwi crap.
it happens everyday,I take it you have no idea?
As usual you are focusing on the victims(Maori) in a minimalistic way, not the perpetrators of the murder and unlawful acts.
lets dabate the social inequalities in NZ, or are they 'natural'?
06 Feb 05
Originally posted by TinorangatiratangaSo thirty years of Waitangi tribunal is for nothing? Full and final settlement has been made for Waikato, South Island tribes and other tribes who have proved loss. How about the fisheries deal?
a small inconvenience from some Maori who harbour grievances about their ancestors having been forcibly kicked off their land, murdered for their land and legislated off their land- if you owned a home now, nicely settled in with your family, neigbours,friends in a co-operative community and some foreigners came to your country and (even though th ...[text shortened]... - think yourself lucky your dealing with patient, and in many cases forgiving Maori people! 😉
We did we bother if the hundreds of millions paid out makes no difference?
06 Feb 05
Originally posted by StarValleyWyI have a choice on these forums.
Who cares about a small city of two million who can't even come to terms with a brief history of stupid events causing stupid people to be even more stupid? I am getting my revenge. To every creep who treated me like dirt and told me to do my best. I am. Always. Enjoy. Kiwi crap.
I can discuss where I live, and the things which are unfair and need fixing in my own country.
Or I can criticise other countries from half the world away.
Which do you prefer me to do?