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Originally posted by ColettiMy only problem with this, is you have picked gays due to what you read in the bible... but what about those who have divorced, or slept with a woman during her 'cycle'. What about people who have slept together before marriage?
I discriminate against lawyers. Is that wrong?
Think about this - what does discrimination really mean? I know what the standard meaning is - treating people differently due to prejudice. But if someone is openly homosexual - theres n ...[text shortened]...
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What about people who serve other gods? People who curse?
These are all people that should be stoned to death and beaten, as stated in the Bible.
How do you pick what to follow, and what not to follow?
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Edit! Your view on Lawyers is perfectly fine.... 😉
Originally posted by PhlabibitGood question. I'd discriminate against a guy who cheats on his wife if he make a point of bragging about it.
My only problem with this, is you have picked gays due to what you read in the bible... but what about those who have divorced, or slept with a woman during her 'cycle'. What about people who have slept together before marriage?
What about people who serve other gods? People who curse?
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The 'cycle' part I don't think is mandated any more. Paul said all things all permissible when it come to things like diet and standards of what is "clean" but he also said don't make a point of doing things like eating with your unwashed hands in front of someone who takes offense to that. If you want to eat "unclean animals" or have sex during your wifes 'cycle,' that permitted.
There are two kinds of offense. Those that are against religious standards (like cheating on you mate) and those that others might think are just gross like eating snails. One is a violation of the Law of God, the other is merely being uncharitable (or insensitive) towards others when done in their presence.
I'm not certain about pre-marital sex. I think that gets complicated. The situations are clearer if one party was married or engaged. And it made a difference if the couple married pronto. I think there is something to be said for the couple making a public commitment to each other, but then there's no good reason not to get married.
Stoning. That's tricky too. I think it has it merits. It made punishing the guilty something that had to be done by all the elders - so there was no executioner - the blood was on everyones hands. Imagine if jurors knew they had to do the killing of the condemned man. It's not so clean.
On the other hand - the Bible tells Christians that we are not here to judge unbelievers - we are only to judge our brothers and sisters with love and without hypocrisy - no easy business that. So I don't see how Christian's can carry out a stoning - a brother or sister would seek forgiveness, or else they would be considered an unbeliever and the worst punishment mandated would be excommunication - and that's a heavy punishment itself.
Originally posted by ColettiI'm not sure you've explained something I need to know about. Where in the bible does it say 'cheats on his wire IF he makes a point of bragging about it'? It clearly says states they must be stoned to death regardless. I'll find it if you REALLY need to read it for yourself. You are adding more, picking, and choosing what to follow and what not to follow.
Good question. I'd discriminate against a guy who cheats on his wife if he make a point of bragging about it.
The 'cycle' part I don't think is mandated any more. Paul said all things all permissible when it come to things like diet and standards of what is "clean" but he also said don't make a point of doing things like eating with your unwash ...[text shortened]... he worst punishment mandated would be excommunication - and that's a heavy punishment itself.
If you've answered my question, I missed it.
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Originally posted by ColettiAnd where in the Bible does it say "Pre-marital sex is ok as long as they are commited to each other or get married pronto." I'm pretty sure the Bible is nice and certain on the issue.
Good question. I'd discriminate against a guy who cheats on his wife if he make a point of bragging about it.
The 'cycle' part I don't think is mandated any more. Paul said all things all permissible when it come to things like diet and standards of what is "clean" but he also said don't make a point of doing things like eating with your unwash ...[text shortened]... he worst punishment mandated would be excommunication - and that's a heavy punishment itself.
You can't have your cake and eat it to. If you want to follow Christian tenents do it properly. If your not going to do it properly why bother at all?
So if you are not certain about pre-marital sex why are you certain about homosexuality. Perhaps you just find it gross and you hide behind your religion to hide the fact that you just can't stand what someone else is doing.
Originally posted by XanthosNZI think you will have trouble finding "thou shalt not have sex before marriage."
And where in the Bible does it say "Pre-marital sex is ok as long as they are commited to each other or get married pronto." I'm pretty sure the Bible is nice and certain on the issue.
You can't have your cake and eat it to. If you want to follow Christian tenents do it properly. If your not going to do it properly why bother at all?
So if you ar ...[text shortened]... behind your religion to hide the fact that you just can't stand what someone else is doing.
It does make it clear that you are not to rape, or have sex with someone else's spouse, or someone engage to be married. It's not cut and dry as you have inferred. But I am willing to be corrected if you can find a scripture reference.
Originally posted by ColettiDo you ever work on Sunday?
I think you will have trouble finding "thou shalt not have sex before marriage."
It does make it clear that you are not to rape, or have sex with someone else's spouse, or someone engage to be married. It's not cut and dry as you have inferred. But I am willing to be corrected if you can find a scripture reference.
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Originally posted by ColettiThat I can get behind, for sure.
Yes, but I try not to. Just ask my wife. 🙂
My only problem is you've called gays 'un natural' due to your religion. Your religion says many things should be punished... gays, adultery, working on Sunday... yet you don't call these other things 'un natural'.
Why do you hold so true to looking down on gays, but let these other things slide? I really need to know.
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u know what? honestly, when u take away the religion and traditions passed down, (at least for me) u are left with tolerance --- the one true religion. the hard thing, believe it or not (and u probably do believe it if u came from a strict relgious family) is too turn away from those beliefs that u were made to believe from childhood, and form your own opinions.
Originally posted by PhlabibitI can't speak for others, but I don't used the natural argument. I think lying, stealing, and cheating are also natural.
That I can get behind, for sure.
My only problem is you've called gays 'un natural' due to your religion. Your religion says many things should be punished... gays, adultery, working on Sunday... yet you don't call these other things 'un natural'.
Why do you hold so true to looking down on gays, but let these other things slide? I really need to know.
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I'm not sure where I'd rank homosexual acts, but I'd put as least as high as cheating on ones spouse, but not as high as murder.
It's not so much the specific sin as the unrepentant attitude towards the sin that becomes a problem. That's what I meant about the bragging about cheating on ones wife. The person who not only habitually cheats on his wife, but boasts about it - is just as offensive in my view a an unrepentant homosexual.