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Should NATO give Georgia membership ?

Should NATO give Georgia membership ?

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Originally posted by scherzo
While I am in agreement that Russia's invasion of Georgia was evil and despicable, so is the government of Georgia. However, even if the government of Georgia was the target of the invasion, it would still be unwarranted because Georgia is no longer the property of the USSR, as there is no longer any USSR to speak of.

That said, I agree with no1marauder that Georgia cannot be in NATO, but it can be in TO. Or the EU.
Maybe the Russians can clear all the Georgians out of Georgia and posit them in Palestine?

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Originally posted by shavixmir
You have lost the plot.

Georgia is further East than Iran!
And France is one of the greatest countries in the world and Portugal... well... well, Portugal has something going for it too.
India and Japan are far greater than France is. In fact, the United States should force France to abdicate her seat in the UN Security Council in favor of a real nation like India or Japan.

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Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter
Why? So the Soviet Union can reassert itself unopposed?
There is no Soviet Union so a military alliance with the supposed aim of defending Western Europe from Communist aggression is rather superfluous.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
There is no Soviet Union so a military alliance with the supposed aim of defending Western Europe from Communist aggression is rather superfluous.
By your logic then, we should also dissolve the United Nations since it was set up with the intention of keeping the Soviet Union and the United States from nuking each other. On this I can agree, on the former, I vote nyet.

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Originally posted by Palynka
This is going to be fun.

Why should those specific two countries have no right to be in the EU?
France is a weak government, and no one cares about Portugal.

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Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter
Maybe the Russians can clear all the Georgians out of Georgia and posit them in Palestine?
No. Maybe the Russians can get out of Georgia and let their affairs die out.

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Originally posted by scherzo
France is a weak government, and no one cares about Portugal.
Unsupported childish assertions won't get you far.

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Originally posted by Palynka
Unsupported childish assertions won't get you far.
Sorry ... unsupported?

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Originally posted by scherzo
Sorry ... unsupported?
Yes.

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Originally posted by Palynka
Yes.
Please explain to me how people care about Portugal and how France has a strong and stable government.

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Originally posted by scherzo
Please explain to me how people care about Portugal and how France has a strong and stable government.
France has a healthy and thriving democracy. Its past governments have served its mandates to full extent, there were no reported electoral frauds nor major scandals. Reshuffling of cabinets is quite uncommon and people not only are free to criticize its government when they dislike its actions, but do so quite regularly and without fear of reprisals. And despite such active criticism on specific policies governments have been stable, showing that there are healthy democratic checks and balances in place.

Portugal has been an integral part of the EU for a long time. The EU cares enough about Portugal that it was included in the initial group of countries that are part of the Euro. The President of the European Commission is himself a Portuguese and the Lisbon Treaty was negotiated, drafted and approved by government officials during the Portuguese presidency of the EU. I could go on about foreign institutions and companies investing in Portugal (like MIT's recent choice of Portugal for its newest research center in Europe) but there's really no point to prove how childish your comments are.

Despite all that, it would be completely irrelevant if 'people' (whoever you think these people are) cared about Portugal or not. You have completely and utterly failed to understand the project and the goals of the EU.

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Originally posted by Palynka
France has a healthy and thriving democracy. Its past governments have served its mandates to full extent, there were no reported electoral frauds nor major scandals. Reshuffling of cabinets is quite uncommon and people not only are free to criticize its government when they dislike its actions, but do so quite regularly and without fear of reprisals. And de ...[text shortened]... t. You have completely and utterly failed to understand the project and the goals of the EU.
France and Portugal were both imperialist powers that killed various groups of people in the last century. For that matter, several other European powers are like that too.

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Originally posted by scherzo
France and Portugal were both imperialist powers that killed various groups of people in the last century. For that matter, several other European powers are like that too.
Nice of you to completely change your issues with France and Portugal. Backpedal much?

And by the way, Portuguese people revolted against its dictator because people didn't want to kill others to maintain an empire.

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Originally posted by Palynka
Nice of you to completely change your issues with France and Portugal. Backpedal much?

And by the way, Portuguese people revolted against its dictator because people didn't want to kill others to maintain an empire.
Backpedaling? France has a weak government, because of its previous imperialist desires.