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  1. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    12 Nov '09 20:51 / 1 edit
    People seem to dismiss my view as paranoid when I complain about the gangs. They are out of control!

    MEXICO CITY - Business groups in the Mexican border city of Ciudad Juarez said Wednesday they are calling for United Nations peacekeepers to quell the drug-related violence that has given their city one of the highest homicide rates in the world.Groups representing assembly plants, retailers and other businesses said they will submit a request to the Mexican government and the Inter American Human Rights Commission to ask the U.N. to send help.
    "This is a proposal ... for international forces to come here to help out the domestic (security) forces," said Daniel Murguia, president of the Ciudad Juarez chapter of the National Chamber of Commerce, Services and Tourism. "There is a lot of extortions and robberies of businesses. Many businesses are closing."

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33876408...news-americas/
  2. 12 Nov '09 20:54
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    People seem to dismiss my view as paranoid when I complain about the gangs. They are out of control!

    MEXICO CITY - Business groups in the Mexican border city of Ciudad Juarez said Wednesday they are calling for United Nations peacekeepers to quell the drug-related violence that has given their city one of the highest homicide rates in the world.Gr ...[text shortened]... ses. Many businesses are closing."

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33876408...news-americas/
    While they are at it, why not ask the UN to protect the US/Mexico border?
  3. 12 Nov '09 20:58
    Legalize drugs, problem solved.
  4. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    12 Nov '09 22:19
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Legalize drugs, problem solved.
    What type of intervention do you hope for from the UN? Will violence actually stop the violence? Obviously the security and police services are failing and need help but that is different to an external force.

    Prohibition is a disaster Worldwide and it is time to stop using force to impose what are eventually moral aspirations. An end to prohibition is an essential first step, releasing vast resources from the war on drugs for socially useful programmes. Regulated methods for distribution - as with alcohol - might permit a less insane but legally tolerated market.

    Let's admit at once that this will not destroy the cash rich criminal economy. Sadly, sociopaths will seek out alternatives. The Italian Mafia prospered without the drug market. What they did have was an impoverished and poorly governed state to exploit. So for example they could control the fashion industry through the control of production in small sweatshops. It is economic redistribution and social development that gives ordinary folk the motivation and morale to withdraw their support and protection from the criminals, because perversely they often see the gangs as their best hope for a tolerable life.

    You will not defeat violence with violence. The whole concept of drug prohibition is flawed and everyone knows it does not work. So it's time to stop and invest instead in the lives of ordinary people - through health, education and social development.
  5. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    12 Nov '09 23:36
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    People seem to dismiss my view as paranoid when I complain about the gangs. They are out of control!

    MEXICO CITY - Business groups in the Mexican border city of Ciudad Juarez said Wednesday they are calling for United Nations peacekeepers to quell the drug-related violence that has given their city one of the highest homicide rates in the world.Gr ...[text shortened]... ses. Many businesses are closing."

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33876408...news-americas/
    While the UN is there, can they stay there... or anywhere but New York?
  6. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    13 Nov '09 00:27
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Legalize drugs, problem solved.
    Legalise drugs and privatise healthcare problem solved.

    That way people who mess up their lives through the abuse of drugs are responsible for the consequences of their own bad choices.
  7. 13 Nov '09 00:50
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    People seem to dismiss my view as paranoid when I complain about the gangs. They are out of control!

    MEXICO CITY - Business groups in the Mexican border city of Ciudad Juarez said Wednesday they are calling for United Nations peacekeepers to quell the drug-related violence that has given their city one of the highest homicide rates in the world.Gr ...[text shortened]... ses. Many businesses are closing."

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33876408...news-americas/
    would any country be nuts enough to send their soldiers into juarez as peacekeepers?

    would the mexican government even LET them?
  8. 13 Nov '09 04:08
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    People seem to dismiss my view as paranoid when I complain about the gangs. They are out of control!

    MEXICO CITY - Business groups in the Mexican border city of Ciudad Juarez said Wednesday they are calling for United Nations peacekeepers to quell the drug-related violence that has given their city one of the highest homicide rates in the world.Gr ...[text shortened]... ses. Many businesses are closing."

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33876408...news-americas/
    The gangs are a problem, but it doesn't take the UN. Additional steps towards legalization would help, like in Mexico allowing companies and people to legally supply medical marijuana to those establishments that are legalized in California (granted by state law only).

    At this point, there are many powerful players in the drug game behind bars.

    Drug murders have stopped doubling this year, which merely points to the fact that the brakes are being applied, even if some experts say the drug war could take a couple of decades to truly turn the entire situation around. That was a similar situation in Colombia.

    So far there are some signs of progress, but like unemployment in the economy, results may lag some of these reforms like the justice system reforms that took place in Mexico over a year ago.
  9. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    13 Nov '09 06:13
    The profit margin on drugs has to be destroyed.
    If nobody can make a profit out of it, then nobody is gonna be pushing any.

    We can't send the UN troops to Mexico. They're needed in Israel / Palestine.
  10. Standard member Merk
    Steamin transies
    13 Nov '09 06:54
    Yes. Gangs in Mexico are out of control, but so is Mexican governmental corruption. The problem is bigger than gangs. They're just a symptom.

    And NO! The UN should not go into Mexico. Or anywhere else for that matter. The best thing they can do for the world is to stay in their offices and natter amongst themselves.
  11. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    13 Nov '09 07:10 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Legalize drugs, problem solved.
    I think this is the right idea, though it might be more complex in application.

    I'm glad Mexico is cleaning itself up. Los Angeles has done a great job of it; good that they are too.

    We don't need the UN to guard our border, but it sure would be nice to have more friendly troops that could move into Mexico proper.
  12. 13 Nov '09 15:36
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Legalize drugs, problem solved.
    What about all those wonderful people in law enforcement who are counting on narc jobs to feed their families?
  13. 13 Nov '09 18:28
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    People seem to dismiss my view as paranoid when I complain about the gangs. They are out of control!

    MEXICO CITY - Business groups in the Mexican border city of Ciudad Juarez said Wednesday they are calling for United Nations peacekeepers to quell the drug-related violence that has given their city one of the highest homicide rates in the world.Gr ...[text shortened]... ses. Many businesses are closing."

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33876408...news-americas/
    It can't be worse than this:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6879786.ece
  14. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    14 Nov '09 03:27
    Originally posted by generalissimo
    It can't be worse than this:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6879786.ece


    This is f'n RIDICULOUS?!
  15. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    14 Nov '09 03:27
    Originally posted by dryhump
    What about all those wonderful people in law enforcement who are counting on narc jobs to feed their families?
    They can start helping to cut down on all the violent crimes that go uninvestigated.