Go back
Should Venezuela become regressive?

Should Venezuela become regressive?

Debates

1 edit

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/03/12/venezuelan-government-offers-its-starving-people-some-food-just-before-the-presidential-election

Or should they embrace the progress made by socialism with a 4000% inflation rate and now being given food to eat to the starving citizens in return for votes?

Luckily, it does not seem to matter cuz the enlightened Marxist dictator has declare emergency powers to avoid an election in 2020.

The people of Venezuela can rest assured that they will be OK.

Of course, capitalist will insist that this shows the world that socialism is an abject failure, but as the enlightened Progressive dictator of Venezuela points out, all the countries woes can be blamed on other countries like the US.

Damn that Trump! 😠


The Nordic countries show that socialist policies can in fact work, and worked extremely well.


Originally posted by @whodey
https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/03/12/venezuelan-government-offers-its-starving-people-some-food-just-before-the-presidential-election

Or should they embrace the progress made by socialism with a 4000% inflation rate and now being given food to eat to the starving citizens in return for votes?

Luckily, it does not seem to matter cuz the enlightened ...[text shortened]... t, all the countries woes can be blamed on other countries like the US.

Damn that Trump! 😠
😴


Marauder should love this part.

This is what Democracy and the Nordic model are all about:

The boxes, which are referred to as CLAPs (from the Spanish for “The Local Supply and Production Committees&rdquo😉, contain things like rice, pasta, grains, cooking oil, powdered milk, or canned tuna. All of the boxes are stamped with the faces of Maduro and his predecessor Hugo Chavez.


Don't you just love yoru government issued food with your leader & his predecessor's face on it?

This is what a free, democratic state is all about. ^^


Originally posted by @vivify
The Nordic countries show that socialist policies can in fact work, and worked extremely well.
They're welfare states with fairly free markets and homogeneous populations that are now, finally, feeling the intense strain as they have "diversified."

Not quite a one for one policy, my brother.

1 edit

Originally posted by @vivify
The Nordic countries show that socialist policies can in fact work, and worked extremely well.
The Nordic countries are socialist?

The state owns production do they?

And what about those EU countries by the equator? Doing well are they?

Seem like all the countries along the equator struggle.

Why is that?


Originally posted by @mchill
😴
Wakey, wakey eggs and bakey.

1 edit

Originally posted by @whodey
The Nordic countries are socialist?

The state owns production do they?

And what about those EU countries by the equator? Doing well are they?

Seem like all the countries along the equator struggle.

Why is that?
I said said "socialist policies". It doesn't have to be all-or-none; you can take elements of socialism that work and implement them, while keeping a capitalist economy. That's what the nordic countries did.

1 edit

Originally posted by @vivify
I said said "socialist policies". It doesn't have to be all-or-none; you can take elements of socialism that work and implement them, while keeping a capitalist economy. That's what the nordic countries did.
Well Venezuela decided to go all out socialist.

Would you say that was a mistake?

Vote Up
Vote Down

Originally posted by @whodey
The Nordic countries are socialist?

The state owns production do they?

And what about those EU countries by the equator? Doing well are they?

Seem like all the countries along the equator struggle.

Why is that?
"EU countries by the equator"

Name one.


Originally posted by @whodey
Well Venezuela decided to go all out socialist.

Would you say that was a mistake?
I don't know.

Venezuela is a victim of severely mismanaged funds and irresponsible planning. They became far too dependent on oil and didn't focus enough on other exports. Whenever oil prices dropped, their economy suffered severely, causing a need for social programs like the ones implemented by Chavez. However, he became too in love with the adulation of the people to reign in his spending, giving rise to inflation. This caused Maduro to inherit a mess. Maduro then worsened Venezuela's situation by trying to consolidate power and becoming a dictator.

All of these events actually have nothing to do with socialism; they're bad political missteps. Socialism only came at the tail-end of Venezuela's history when it was introduced by Chavez. Had no socialist policies been used, Venezuela would've been a struggling capitalist country.

A socialist system could've worked with good planning and foresight, especially back when Venezuela's economy was booming as the go-to oil exporter. Greece is one example that it's not necessarily the type economic system being used that most important, but ability of the leaders to wisely run it.

Vote Up
Vote Down

Originally posted by @whodey
And what about those EU countries by the equator?
Wait a minute...I skimmed through your post and missed this.

EU countries by the Equator? Dafuq you talkin' 'bout?


Originally posted by @vivify
Wait a minute...I skimmed through your post and missed this.

EU countries by the Equator? Dafuq you talkin' 'bout?
EU countries close to the equator, like Greece and Spain, seem to lag behind the others. Why is that?


Originally posted by @vivify
I don't know.

Venezuela is a victim of severely mismanaged funds and irresponsible planning. They became far too dependent on oil and didn't focus enough on other exports. Whenever oil prices dropped, their economy suffered severely, causing a need for social programs like the ones implemented by Chavez. However, he became too in love with the adulat ...[text shortened]... ype economic system being used that most important, but ability of the leaders to wisely run it.
They relied too much on oil? Gaddafi ran his country just fine based on oil, however, Obama killed him. In fact, Libya had one of the highest standards of living in Africa and the US killed him off while letting regimes like the Sudan conduct mass genocide without so much as a peep from the UN.


Originally posted by @vivify
I don't know.

Venezuela is a victim of severely mismanaged funds and irresponsible planning. They became far too dependent on oil and didn't focus enough on other exports. Whenever oil prices dropped, their economy suffered severely, causing a need for social programs like the ones implemented by Chavez. However, he became too in love with the adulat ...[text shortened]... ype economic system being used that most important, but ability of the leaders to wisely run it.
It's almost like... when you vest incredible amounts of power into an office and allow demagogues to provide over the country... bad things begin to happen...

Especially when their whole thing is micromanaging the economy.

I wonder if there's a way that we could prevent this..?

Like... maybe... not trying to create a far leftist Utopia, but operating solely within the parameters of what is manageable, and always actively accounting for market factors when we make decisions?...

You know, the opposite of what Venezuela does.