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    20 Jan '18 00:17
    Seems like there was some spying and election rigging going on after all...No democrats wants the public to know about this.

    "I viewed the classified report from House Intel relating to the FBI, FISA abuses, the infamous Russian dossier, and so-called "Russian collusion." What I saw is absolutely shocking.

    This report needs to be released--now. Americans deserve the truth. #ReleaseTheMemo"

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/01/19/usa-or-kgb-bombshell-memo-details-fisa-abuses-so-serious-it-could-bring-changes-to-the-fbidoj-n2436715
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    20 Jan '18 17:30
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    Seems like there was some spying and election rigging going on after all...No democrats wants the public to know about this.

    "I viewed the classified report from House Intel relating to the FBI, FISA abuses, the infamous Russian dossier, and so-called "Russian collusion." What I saw is absolutely shocking.

    This report needs to be released--no ...[text shortened]... -kgb-bombshell-memo-details-fisa-abuses-so-serious-it-could-bring-changes-to-the-fbidoj-n2436715
    LMFAO...non of the liberal nut jobs here want to touch this.
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    20 Jan '18 17:35
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    LMFAO...non of the liberal nut jobs here want to touch this.
    How long does it take for liberals to put 2 and 2 together? Folks this was our justice dept saying this only months ago.


    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/doj-no-evidence-obama-trump-wires-tapped-article-1.3463689
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    20 Jan '18 18:22
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    How long does it take for liberals to put 2 and 2 together? Folks this was our justice dept saying this only months ago.


    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/doj-no-evidence-obama-trump-wires-tapped-article-1.3463689
    How do you like talking to yourself?
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    20 Jan '18 18:49
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    Seems like there was some spying and election rigging going on after all...No democrats wants the public to know about this.

    "I viewed the classified report from House Intel relating to the FBI, FISA abuses, the infamous Russian dossier, and so-called "Russian collusion." What I saw is absolutely shocking.

    This report needs to be released--no ...[text shortened]... -kgb-bombshell-memo-details-fisa-abuses-so-serious-it-could-bring-changes-to-the-fbidoj-n2436715
    I'm all for releasing this memo and any information that deals with the investigation of the Trump campaign's collusion with Russians during the campaign.
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    20 Jan '18 19:18
    Matt Taibbi makes the excellent point that if you right wingers want any classified material declassified, shouldn't you take such a request to the President?:

    By all means, if the memo is important (although I doubt it) let's let the public see it. But followers of this story should also remember that if this or any classified document somehow exculpates Donald Trump on any front, he's had the power all along to declassify such information.

    Why Trump hasn't done so on a number of these occasions has been one of the enduring mysteries of this affair. It's given pause to even the most hardened Russiagate skeptics.

    This includes people like former federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy of the National Review. McCarthy has been highly critical of the Robert Mueller investigation, but has also repeatedly wondered why Trump is not lifting the veil on some of these documents.

    One of the few figures in the media to explore holes in Russiagate theories propagated by both sides, McCarthy had this to say in August:


    "I can't get past a nagging question: Why must we speculate about whether the Obama administration abusively exploited its foreign-intelligence-collection powers in order to spy on Donald Trump's political campaign? After all, Trump is president now. If he was victimized, he's in a position to tell us all about it."

    So #ReleaseTheMemo seems curious and disingenuous at best. But the Republicans don't have a monopoly on such behavior, either.

    Recently, there's been an effort in Democrat-friendly media to walk back one of the major assumptions of #Russiagate, i.e. that the FBI's Russia investigation was spurred by either the Steele report, the case involving Carter Page, or both.

    Stories have come out in both the Washington Post and the New York Times in recent weeks that appear to contradict their own earlier reports on the matter, pointing now at Mueller-target George Papadopoulos as the ostensible root of the Russia probe.


    There's no conclusion to be drawn from any of this, other than that the genesis of the Russiagate investigation remains mysterious and neither party seems particularly motivated to clarify the matter for the public.

    The Republicans seem anxious to keep hinting that the privately-generated Steele report was used improperly as part of a FISA warrant application, while the Trump administration keeps passing up opportunities to release what it knows about the matter. It's a bizarre stalemate that will eat up a lot of airtime, without really moving this interminable affair forward in any significant way.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/taibbi-forget-the-memo-can-we-worry-about-the-banks-w515668
  7. Subscriberno1marauder
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    20 Jan '18 22:34
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    Seems like there was some spying and election rigging going on after all...No democrats wants the public to know about this.

    "I viewed the classified report from House Intel relating to the FBI, FISA abuses, the infamous Russian dossier, and so-called "Russian collusion." What I saw is absolutely shocking.

    This report needs to be released--no ...[text shortened]... -kgb-bombshell-memo-details-fisa-abuses-so-serious-it-could-bring-changes-to-the-fbidoj-n2436715
    The memo, compiled by House Intelligence Committee chairman Devin Nunes and fellow Republicans on the panel,

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/19/house-republicans-clash-release-the-memo-351132

    They've been claiming the same things for months in public and now they have a SECRET memo (that they wrote and that could be declassified whenever the President wants to) that supposedly PROVES it.

    Wow, that's pretty convincing!
  8. Subscriberno1marauder
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    23 Jan '18 01:17
    Apparently the Republicans in Congress don't even want to #ShowTheMemo to Trump's Justice Department and FBI. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/22/house-gop-wont-show-secret-russia-memo-to-justice-department-357876
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