Originally posted by znshoWhat 5 year old?
'As already mentioned, you have to go back almost three decades to find a half-dozen deaths "at the hands of the police" in this country.'
Since 1985, nearly 60 innocent members of the public have been shot dead by the police in the UK. Three decades? You seem to forget the 5-year old boy shot dead by the British police.
Tell you what. You go up to the ...[text shortened]... ted according to the true law of this country. But they are not. They get away with it.
What 60 deaths?
You have your countries wrong.
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Originally posted by PalynkaThe IPCC were disallowed from the shooting site for a period of time due to a matter of law, since clarified...that is the extent of the hinderance...do remember it was Blair himself who invoked IPCC on the day.
Because he hindered a third-party investigation and therefore did not comply with his responsibility towards the civil society.
These people are not above the law.
If the CPS decide, as they have, that Charlie 2 & Charlie 12 (the CO19 shooters) should not be prosecuted, anything else is pure pomp.
My own view (particularly after reading Stockwell One and Two) is that these two individuals wound themselves up, and killed him unlawfully...and all that this implies (perjury etc)... but if CPS disagrees, what else is there?
Additionally, if CPS says they were not to be charged, they also imply no law has been breached, and so why should they not go back to duty ?
I'm not saying it's right, but there it is.
Originally posted by ZadadkaI am either significantly older than you or have a far better memory.
What 5 year old?
What 60 deaths?
You have your countries wrong.
1) In the 1970s, a 5-year old child was shot dead during a raid on a house by police.
2) The statistics about 60-odd fatal shootings since 1985 are from IPCC publications. Check them yourself.
Originally posted by znshoI was in my teens in the seventees, and I accept my memory has never been great for events of 30 years ago, but it illustrates how low the frequency of such events really is if we must go that far back.
I am either significantly older than you or have a far better memory.
1) In the 1970s, a 5-year old child was shot dead during a raid on a house by police.
2) The statistics about 60-odd fatal shootings since 1985 are from IPCC publications. Check them yourself.
In fact, I can find no reference to the child, or the 60 of who you speak, either on IPCC or anywhere else.
These 60 shootings by police are of innocents, yes, not armed robbers and the like?
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Originally posted by ZadadkaA 5-year old armed robber, eh?
I was in my teens in the seventees, and I accept my memory has never been great for events of 30 years ago, but it illustrates how low the frequency of such events really is if we must go that far back.
In fact, I can find no reference to the child, or the 60 of who you speak, either on IPCC or anywhere else.
These 60 shootings by police are of innocents, yes, not armed robbers and the like?
Here's a BBC article about the case:
1985: Sleeping boy killed in police raid
A five-year-old boy has been shot dead in a police raid on his home in Birmingham.
John Shorthouse was killed after armed officers stormed into his home looking for his father, also named John.
The boy was shot in the chest as an officer searched under his bed.
He was carried to a police car and taken to a nearby hospital but pronounced dead on arrival.
The officer whose gun fired the fatal shot has been suspended pending the outcome of an inquiry.
He has not been named but is said to be a 36-year old constable with 16-years service in the West Midlands force.
Inquiry call
At the time of the shooting John Shorthouse is believed to have been asleep in bed.
Officers thought they had accounted for all the family who they were holding in another room.
The Assistant Chief Constable of West Midlands, Paul Leopold said he believed the marksman involved had been unaware of John's presence.
"Other officers had been in the room before this officer and they had no idea anybody was in there," he said.
After being arrested at his home, John Shorthouse, 26, was taken to south Wales where he was wanted for questioning about an armed robbery.
Mr and Mrs Shorthouse, who have two other sons, aged four and two, have called for a public inquiry into their eldest child's death.
The local MP, Anthony Beaumont-Dark, has demanded that any report on the shooting should be made public.
The shooting of John Shorthouse is the latest in a number of incidents involving police marksmen.
Five years ago, a pregnant woman, Gail Kinchen, was killed after she got caught up in gun fire between her boyfriend and the police.
Originally posted by znshoYou know exactly what I meant.
A 5-year old armed robber, eh?
Here's a BBC article about the case:
1985: Sleeping boy killed in police raid
A five-year-old boy has been shot dead in a police raid on his home in Birmingham.
John Shorthouse was killed after armed officers stormed into his home looking for his father, also named John.
The boy was shot in the chest as an office ...[text shortened]... nchen, was killed after she got caught up in gun fire between her boyfriend and the police.
Nothing about the 60?
Originally posted by ZadadkaYou accused me of getting countries confused. I have proved you were wrong. A 5-year child was MURDERED by the police. The police officer got away with it.
You know exactly what I meant.
Nothing about the 60?
I suggest you research the 60-odd cases again, more thoroughly.
I absolutely agree with you, the officers involved in the murder of Jean Charles were worked up and believing they were above the law. Until such police behaviour is punished according to law, the police will continue to tell lies and kill innocent persons.
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Originally posted by znshoI made the country query because you said it had occurred since '85....which it hadn't, so my query was valid based on what you said.
You accused me of getting countries confused. I have proved you were wrong. A 5-year child was MURDERED by the police. The police officer got away with it.
I suggest you research the 60-odd cases again, more thoroughly.
I absolutely agree with you, the officers involved in the murder of Jean Charles were worked up and believing they were above the law. ...[text shortened]... r is punished according to law, the police will continue to tell lies and kill innocent persons.
I have checked on the 60-odd.
It includes 50-odd situations where the "victims" gave cause for armed officers to think they, or members of the public, were at immediate risk, such as by brandishing weapons, be they real or subsequently found to be imitation....so my original count was valid.
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Originally posted by ZadadkaTell that to the 5-year old child and his parents.
I made the country query because you said it had occurred since '85....which it hadn't, so my query was valid based on what you said.
I have checked on the 60-odd.
It includes 50-odd situations where the "victims" gave cause for armed officers to think they, or members of the public, were at immediate risk, such as by brandishing weapons, be they real or subsequently found to be imitation....so my original count was valid.