29 Apr 05
Originally posted by trawets113I don't smoke, but I strongly feel that we need more smokers. Cigarettes need to be cheaper too. Tobacco, while offensive to us nonsmokers, provides a vital service in being the backbone of the economy. It provides farmers with income. Farmers send their kids to college on tobacco income. Healthcare would not be the industry it is in this country without tobacco. I probably would not have a job without tobacco. Funeral homes are able to make more money by having more funerals. Lawyers benefit as well in settling the estates of the dearly departed. We don't need people living to a ripe old age as they are a drain on the social security system.
I for one strongly disagree with smoking and feel it is totally in the wrong to do so in public places.
You buy a house from a person who smoked. You have to paint the walls. You have to get the air ducts cleaned. You have to get new carpet. See how smoking generates money/spending?
For all of you environmentalist who are concerned about suburban sprawl, tobacco fields help ensure that strip malls will not encroach on the countryside.
Would all of you please find a smoker today and thank them for what they are doing to improve the quality of life for everyone else. God bless.
29 Apr 05
Originally posted by trawets113i really don't care too much whether a person smokes or not (his decision), but i mostly agree that smoking in public places should be banned. in some places in the US, it is already banned.
I for one strongly disagree with smoking and feel it is totally in the wrong to do so in public places.
i think one can make a strong case for banning public smoking because as soon as the smoker is surrounded by other people, his smoking no longer affects only himself. i cannot claim to be up on the latest medical research, but as far as i know, there is good evidence that second-hand smoke degrades overall health. but even if that were not the case, a strong case could still be made based on the simple fact that many people feel that having smoke in your personal space is unpleasant -- it smells bad, makes my eyes water, makes my clothes stink, etc, etc. in this sense, it is clear to me that by smoking in public, the smoker affects others, and if enough people complain and feel violated by that, then i think it is sufficient cause to ban it in those places.
i don't have a problem with the concept of designating smoking and non-smoking sections of public places. but the problem i find is that you can be in the non-smoking section and still notice the effects of the smoking section -- in my opinion, the concept doesn't always work in practice.
29 Apr 05
Originally posted by sasquatch672But if i had a bar i would make it non smoking as i for one being a non smoker would purposely go there to make a point and i think that many others would to.
The concept of smoking/nonsmoking is, in alot of places, completely ineffective.
In my city (Philadelphia), the city councilman who proposed a smoking ban recently pulled the bill back before it went to a vote because he knew he didn't have the votes to pass it. Over 70% of the city of Philadelphia believes a ban should be enacted, but bar owners ...[text shortened]... seventeen councilmen. About as disgusting an example of non-representation that I can remember.
29 Apr 05
Originally posted by trawets113A law came into affect last Christmas in NZ where nobody is allowed to smoke in public indoor places, such as restaurants and bars. The general rule is that if there is a roof above you, you cannot smoke there, so bars with balconies etc can send their smokers there.
But if i had a bar i would make it non smoking as i for one being a non smoker would purposely go there to make a point and i think that many others would to.
I thought it was a great idea at first, but now when I walk down the busy streets on Friday and Saturday night, I have to walk through massive crowds of smokers.
29 Apr 05
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Originally posted by sasquatch672Is this a revamped idea from Mein Kampf?
I think smokers should be taken to "smoking camps" once a year where they are forced to increase their tobacco intake to three cartons a day. You wake up, you get no breakfast. Cigarettes will cure those hunger pangs. You get one ...[text shortened]... n the form of increased insurance premiums. You just have to die.
29 Apr 05
Originally posted by trawets113My restaurant is non-smoking. But I'm glad I was able choose my smoking policy. The market will should determine smoking policies.
But if i had a bar i would make it non smoking as i for one being a non smoker would purposely go there to make a point and i think that many others would to.
Whilst staff have a right to work in a smoke free environment, they also have the right to choose where they work.
30 Apr 05
Originally posted by invigorateAs of Dec 04 our bars, Restaurants, cinemas, theatres etc and all workplaces became smoke free in NZ. It doesn't effect outside yet...but they are getting closer.
My restaurant is non-smoking. But I'm glad I was able choose my smoking policy. The market will should determine smoking policies.
Whilst staff have a right to work in a smoke free environment, they also have the right to choose where they work.
It's brilliant to go in a pub or club with clean air. They mostly have an outside separate area for smoking... funny to watch folk pop outside every ten minutes or so... but even the hardened smokers are noticing how much better it is.
Concerts and sports events are next I hate sitting dow wind of smokers and the mess they create is disgusting - carry a tin and take yer butts with you LOL
30 Apr 05
Originally posted by Tirau Danps ... no smoking in the forum....poo choke choke.... 😉
As of Dec 04 our bars, Restaurants, cinemas, theatres etc and all workplaces became smoke free in NZ. It doesn't effect outside yet...but they are getting closer.
It's brilliant to go in a pub or club with clean air. They mostly have an outside separate area for smoking... funny to watch folk pop outside every ten minutes or so... but even the ha ...[text shortened]... of smokers and the mess they create is disgusting - carry a tin and take yer butts with you LOL