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    Trump wants to execute Snowden. I say give Snowden his job and see what happens. Snowden is a hero.

    https://www.maketecheasier.com/who-are-the-five-nine-fourteen-eyes/
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    @metal-brain said
    Trump wants to execute Snowden. I say give Snowden his job and see what happens. Snowden is a hero.

    https://www.maketecheasier.com/who-are-the-five-nine-fourteen-eyes/
    According to Snowden himself, leakers of classified information "should be shot in the balls."

    I agree.
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    @Metal-Brain
    You might want to look at this site:

    https://www.maketecheasier.com/beware-of-scam/

    You seem to want to post ANY BS that forwards your POV even if it is a scam site.
    You just got punkd.
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    @sonhouse said
    @Metal-Brain
    You might want to look at this site:

    https://www.maketecheasier.com/beware-of-scam/

    You seem to want to post ANY BS that forwards your POV even if it is a scam site.
    You just got punkd.
    So the very same website says their website is a scam? LOL!

    Dude, you punked yourself. Didn't you even read it? LOL!
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    @suzianne said
    According to Snowden himself, leakers of classified information "should be shot in the balls."

    I agree.
    He asked “Are they TRYING to start a war?

    It is all about context, not that an alleged chat forum is really evidence of anything. Besides, Snowden is a whistle blower, not a leaker. There is a difference.
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    @metal-brain said
    He asked “Are they TRYING to start a war?

    It is all about context, not that an alleged chat forum is really evidence of anything. Besides, Snowden is a whistle blower, not a leaker. There is a difference.
    He leaked classified information. Ergo, according to him, he "should be shot in the balls."

    You've made a career in these forums straddling the "fine line". And unsurprisingly, you also have spent a lot of time deciding where that line is. Naturally, you think you're the one with the "white hat". Also, unsurprisingly, given the level of your credibility here, almost no one ever agrees with you and it's always because you are trying to define your own "fine line".

    Snowden leaked classified information. Let's judge him by his own standard. Regardless of the content of what he leaked, he has broken the law and damaged US security. While the damage that he caused may or may not be on a par with what Julian Assange has done, what he's done is neither legal nor "morally responsible" as some would have it. He was an employee of the NSA, and federal workers need to be held to a higher standard. We still don't know the extent of the damage, or exactly what he's told Russia or China, two countries with which we have enormous difficulties in cyberwarfare. The US is less safe because of Edward Snowden and he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
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    @suzianne said
    He leaked classified information. Ergo, according to him, he "should be shot in the balls."

    You've made a career in these forums straddling the "fine line". And unsurprisingly, you also have spent a lot of time deciding where that line is. Naturally, you think you're the one with the "white hat". Also, unsurprisingly, given the level of your credibility here, almost n ...[text shortened]... is less safe because of Edward Snowden and he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
    (Suzianne replied to Metal Brain.)

    "Regardless of the content of what he leaked ..."
    --Suzianne

    Would Suzianne likewise condemn an American who had attempted to expose the
    My Lai Massacre, which the US government and military did their utmost to cover up?

    ".. he has broken the law and damaged US security."
    --Suzianne

    Would Suzianne also condemn 'whistle-blowers' who break the laws of, say, Russia?
    Would Suzianne contend that such people must be prosecuted to the fullest extent of Russian law?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_Press_Foundation
    Edward Snowden's now the president of the Freedom of the Press Foundation.

    Daniel Ellsburg's another American whom Suzianne presumably would condemn.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ellsberg

    "Daniel Ellsburg ... is an American activist and former United States military analyst
    who, while employed by the RAND Corporation, precipitated a national political
    controversy in 1971 when he released the Pentagon Papers, a top-secret Pentagon
    study of the U.S. government decision-making in relation to the Vietnam War, to
    The New York Times and other newspapers."

    "Ellsberg was awarded the 2018 Olof Palme Prize for his profound humanism and
    exceptional moral courage."
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    @suzianne said
    He leaked classified information. Ergo, according to him, he "should be shot in the balls."

    You've made a career in these forums straddling the "fine line". And unsurprisingly, you also have spent a lot of time deciding where that line is. Naturally, you think you're the one with the "white hat". Also, unsurprisingly, given the level of your credibility here, almost n ...[text shortened]... is less safe because of Edward Snowden and he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
    BS. The "classified information" Snowden revealed to the American public was of activities that the US government had no business doing. Here's a link for you to educate yourself: https://mashable.com/2014/06/05/edward-snowden-revelations/#DDxoDsUoFPq4

    And another:

    https://www.pri.org/stories/2013-07-09/17-disturbing-things-snowden-has-taught-us-so-far
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    Glenn Greenwald of the Intercept received the info from Snowden. The latter insisted on limits as to public disclosure:

    Greenwald said the journalists were handed some 9,000 to 10,000 secret documents under the condition that they avoid disclosing any information that could harm innocent people, and that they give the NSA a chance to argue against the release of certain classified materials.

    “We’ve honored his request with each document we’ve released,” Greenwald said. “In most cases, we’ve rejected the NSA’s arguments as unsubstantiated, but always gave them the opportunity for input, and will continue to do so.”

    https://apnews.com/f8424471585f44da95918c0e784e83af

    This program disclosed by Snowden were found to be illegal:

    A U.K. spy agency’s bulk collection of telecom data violated the European Convention on Human Rights, the European Court of Human Rights ruled Thursday.


    The Strasbourg-based court found in a 5-2 ruling that the practice, first revealed in documents leaked by former U.S. National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden in 2013, failed to safeguard rights to privacy guaranteed under the human rights convention.

    https://www.fastcompany.com/90236535/court-uk-spy-program-revealed-in-edward-snowden-leaks-violated-human-rights

    We know a lot more about the massive snooping that the government does because of Snowden. He deserves a medal, not a prison cell.
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    @suzianne said
    He leaked classified information. Ergo, according to him, he "should be shot in the balls."

    You've made a career in these forums straddling the "fine line". And unsurprisingly, you also have spent a lot of time deciding where that line is. Naturally, you think you're the one with the "white hat". Also, unsurprisingly, given the level of your credibility here, almost n ...[text shortened]... is less safe because of Edward Snowden and he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
    The "Collateral Murder" video was classified. https://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/04/04/five-years-wikileaks-collateral-murder-video-matters-more-ever

    The point being that a lot of things that are classified are not essential to US national security, but kept secret from the People for political reasons.

    EDIT: Right now, Donald Trump can classify or declassify anything he pleases at his sole discretion. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/may/16/james-risch/does-president-have-ability-declassify-anything-an/
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    @metal-brain said
    Trump wants to execute Snowden. I say give Snowden his job and see what happens. Snowden is a hero.

    https://www.maketecheasier.com/who-are-the-five-nine-fourteen-eyes/
    Indeed.

    Trump is a Russian colluder and needs impeached but Snowden should be President.

    Got it!
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    @whodey said
    Indeed.

    Trump is a Russian colluder and needs impeached but Snowden should be President.

    Got it!
    I never said Trump was a Russian colluder. Russia is standing by Maduro. Trump is against Maduro. That should bring an end to Russia/Trump conspiracy theories, but I doubt it will.
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    03 Feb '19 02:48
    @metal-brain said
    I never said Trump was a Russian colluder. Russia is standing by Maduro. Trump is against Maduro. That should bring an end to Russia/Trump conspiracy theories, but I doubt it will.
    (Metal Brain replied to Whodey.)

    Metal Brain seems incapable of comprehending that it's possible for two parties to
    cooperate (or collude) on something without necessarily agreeing on everything.
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    @duchess64 said
    (Metal Brain replied to Whodey.)

    Metal Brain seems incapable of comprehending that it's possible for two parties to
    cooperate (or collude) on something without necessarily agreeing on everything.
    Duchess doesn't seem to realize all nations cooperate to some extent. Collusion means to work together secretly, especially in order to do something illegal or dishonest. There is no evidence of that, just a lot of partisan driven suspicion.
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    03 Feb '19 04:46
    @suzianne said
    According to Snowden himself, leakers of classified information "should be shot in the balls."

    I agree.
    Does that include all the leakers around Trump?
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