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  1. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    25 Dec '11 10:10
    http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/3081981/2011/12/19/Egyptisch-leger-takelt-vrouw-toe.dhtml

    It's Dutch, but scroll down to the bottom of the page and watch the video.

    Yup. Sure looks like things have become better...
  2. 25 Dec '11 15:38
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/3081981/2011/12/19/Egyptisch-leger-takelt-vrouw-toe.dhtml

    It's Dutch, but scroll down to the bottom of the page and watch the video.

    Yup. Sure looks like things have become better...
    It seems like there are still reactionary elements in the security forces, but that is only natural I suppose, given how the ancien regime collapsed not too long ago.

    I wouldn't say individual and relatively isolated cases of institutional oppression necessarily undermine the future of the revolution.
  3. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    26 Dec '11 08:35
    Well, so far, besides loads of dead civilians:

    - Egypt: a military dictatorship
    - Libya: Dunno, but it sure as hell ain't democracy
    - Syria: Yeah... that's goin' really well


    Arab Spring...
    I'm not sure even if most of the countries are Arab...
  4. 26 Dec '11 12:41
    Time will tell.
  5. 26 Dec '11 14:23
    The mindset of a nation is shown how its police/army/securityforces operate.
  6. 26 Dec '11 14:42
    Originally posted by Sake
    The mindset of a nation is shown how its police/army/securityforces operate.
    What makes you think the conduct of the police are more "nation-defining" than the conduct of other government bodies, or its civilian population?

    Why this special importance allocated to the police? If anything the Arab Spring, and even the Occupy protests reveal that the security forces (and by extension the authorities in charge of the repression of such popular outbursts) are quite out of touch with the real "mindset of a nation".
  7. 26 Dec '11 14:42
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Well, so far, besides loads of dead civilians:

    - Egypt: a military dictatorship
    - Libya: Dunno, but it sure as hell ain't democracy
    - Syria: Yeah... that's goin' really well


    Arab Spring...
    I'm not sure even if most of the countries are Arab...
    They just had elections in Egypt, did they not?
  8. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    26 Dec '11 15:54
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Well, so far, besides loads of dead civilians:

    - Egypt: a military dictatorship
    - Libya: Dunno, but it sure as hell ain't democracy
    - Syria: Yeah... that's goin' really well


    Arab Spring...
    I'm not sure even if most of the countries are Arab...
    What about Tunisia?
  9. 26 Dec '11 16:08
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    What about Tunisia?
    Or Bahrain, Yemen, or numerous other countries which saw protests...
  10. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    26 Dec '11 16:44
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Or Bahrain, Yemen, or numerous other countries which saw protests...
    The journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.

    There's been some progress in virtually all those countries (Yemen's "President" recently stepped down, Egypt has started free elections, etc.).
  11. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    27 Dec '11 06:34
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    What about Tunisia?
    Yeah? What about London and New York. No protests there...

    Like I'm gonna name every bloody country to make a point... Sheesh
  12. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    27 Dec '11 06:35
    Originally posted by generalissimo
    They just had elections in Egypt, did they not?
    Did they?
    Oh, but it's still a military dictatorship...
  13. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    27 Dec '11 16:24
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Yeah? What about London and New York. No protests there...

    Like I'm gonna name every bloody country to make a point... Sheesh
    Those aren't Arab Spring protests.
  14. 27 Dec '11 19:51
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Did they?
    Oh, but it's still a military dictatorship...
    Oh well, Rome wasn't built in a day, the same applies to the new democracy in Egypt.

    In related news, it seems arbitrary exercise of power by the security forces is not just swept under the carpet, but is now addressed by the country's judicial system:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16339398

    "A Cairo court has ordered forced virginity tests on female detainees in military prisons to be stopped.

    The court made the decision after a case was brought by protester Samira Ibrahim.

    She accused the Egyptian army of forcing her to undergo a virginity test after she was arrested during a protest in Tahrir Square in March.

    "The court orders that the execution of the procedure of virginity tests on girls inside military prisons be stopped," judge Aly Fekry, head of Cairo administrative court said, according to Reuters."
  15. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    29 Dec '11 06:24
    Originally posted by generalissimo
    Oh well, Rome wasn't built in a day, the same applies to the new democracy in Egypt.
    It's not a democracy.