Socialism doesn't scare them anymore

Young people are not happy with the unequal world they’ve inherited. Millennials are embracing Socialism because unfettered capitalism failed them. Many grew up in cars or tenement slums during the great recession when GW Bush's call for "deregulation" allowed financial institutions to peddle toxic mortgage packages to anyone with a pulse, and ratings institutions such as Standard and Poor's looked the other way. As the economy crashed, and things got worse, the right wing refused to agree lend even a small a hand to the many who suffered needlessly, while the few at the top became wealthier still.

Young people, along with women and minorities watched as the economy slowly healed over the next 8 years with President Obama at the helm, and saw that tens of millions Americans who previously had little or no healthcare benefits could now see a doctor without medical bankruptcy in the back of their minds. The right wing screamed SOCIALISM! of course, but they didn't care - They now had medical coverage. Now they watch Donald Trump do everything in his power to strip them and their families of that protection, while offering nothing to replace it with except - "Go see your insurance man"

Sorry Republicans - Socialism doesn't scare them anymore...

@mchill said
Young people are not happy with the unequal world they’ve inherited. Millennials are embracing Socialism because unfettered capitalism failed them. Many grew up in cars or tenement slums during the great recession when GW Bush's call for "deregulation" allowed financial institutions to peddle toxic mortgage packages to anyone with a pulse, and ratings institutions such as Stan ...[text shortened]... except - "Go see your insurance man"

Sorry Republicans - Socialism doesn't scare them anymore...

Your right but that’s why they’ve upped the ante and now everything that’s not them is Marxism that way they can draw a bogus link between social justice and Leninism and Stalinism in their own fevered imaginations.

@mchill said
Young people are not happy with the unequal world they’ve inherited. Millennials are embracing Socialism because unfettered capitalism failed them. Many grew up in cars or tenement slums during the great recession when GW Bush's call for "deregulation" allowed financial institutions to peddle toxic mortgage packages to anyone with a pulse, and ratings institutions such as Stan ...[text shortened]... except - "Go see your insurance man"

Sorry Republicans - Socialism doesn't scare them anymore...

Every generation's young people scream the same tired socialist cliches. My parents tell me that the 60s was much worse in terms of anti-establishment agitation by the youth (quite apart from what one can read in the history books).

Eventually, they grow up and learn how the real world works. Then they become the curmudgeonly old codgers yelling about the kids and their fancy record players.

Ask the Boomers about the opinions they held when they were Hippies.

@mchill said
Young people are not happy with the unequal world they’ve inherited. Millennials are embracing Socialism because unfettered capitalism failed them. Many grew up in cars or tenement slums during the great recession when GW Bush's call for "deregulation" allowed financial institutions to peddle toxic mortgage packages to anyone with a pulse, and ratings institutions such as Stan ...[text shortened]... except - "Go see your insurance man"

Sorry Republicans - Socialism doesn't scare them anymore...

Yes... children's (and academics) radical ideology is often unscathed by conflicting empirical evidence born out time and time again since the dawn of human civilization.

@sh76 said
Every generation's young people scream the same tired socialist cliches. My parents tell me that the 60s was much worse in terms of anti-establishment agitation by the youth (quite apart from what one can read in the history books).

Eventually, they grow up and learn how the real world works. Then they become the curmudgeonly old codgers yelling about the kids and their fancy record players.

Ask the Boomers about the opinions they held when they were Hippies.

Ask the Boomers about the opinions they held when they were Hippies.


Well SH76 - I am one of those boomers that were Hippies. Over the last 50+ years I watched, as our unbridled capitalism, has poisoned our air and water, turned its back on the poor, enriched the rich, paid off lawmakers to stack the deck in their favor (the working poor DON'T write the laws now do they?) all the while promising that one day it would "trickle down" Today the richest 1% owns 40% of our nation's wealth.

Yeah, we were idealistic kids once. We smoked pot and dressed in silly clothes, but we wanted to bring peace to the world and save the planet - not just save the rich. You're a smart guy SH, but there are some things you can't learn by reading about them. Until you walk a mile in someone else's shoes, you really don't know. 😉

@sh76 said
Every generation's young people scream the same tired socialist cliches. My parents tell me that the 60s was much worse in terms of anti-establishment agitation by the youth (quite apart from what one can read in the history books).
Ask the Boomers about the opinions they held when they were Hippies.

Yes, but the 1960s generation got to experience the blessings of a particular form and phase of capitalism first-hand. They got to enter a thriving job market, bought property cheaply in the early 1970s, saw their mortgages wiped out by inflation over the course of that decade, benefited when the neo-liberal dispensation slashed their taxes in the 1980s, retired (more often than not) at sixty, and now sit on cushy index-linked pensions. It's no surprise that the same people who campaigned for free love in 1968 voted for low taxes in 1987 and vote for generous pensions now; the common link was the unprecedented selfishness of that generation, at each phase of its existence.

But the difference between then and now was that the young of the 1960s had a much greater chance of benefiting from all that material prosperity than do their grandchildren. House ownership, for instance, was something to which virtually any working couple could aspire in the 1970s; now it's out of reach to most of those who don't have jobs in finance, unless they are generously funded by their parents.

It's not true that people get more conservative as they get older; what is true is that people get more economically conservative as they get richer. Is it any wonder, then, that people in their thirties and even forties aren't moving to the right in the way that their forebears did?

@teinosuke said
Yes, but the 1960s generation got to experience the blessings of a particular form and phase of capitalism first-hand. They got to enter a thriving job market,

Before Covid-19 hit, America had "a thriving job market"...3.5% unemployment was the lowest the country had seen in almost 50 years thanks to Trump and his administration.
Try again later with that noise.

@dood111 said
Before Covid-19 hit, America had "a thriving job market"...3.5% unemployment was the lowest the country had seen in almost 50 years thanks to Trump and his administration.
Try again later with that noise.

A job in the 1960s was actually a real job, i.e. probably full-time, well-paid and permanent - the kind of job you need if you want to settle down and raise children.

Now it's a gig economy with part-time, insecure jobs that make it impossible to plan properly for the future.

Lies, damned lies and statistics.

@mchill said
Young people are not happy with the unequal world they’ve inherited. Millennials are embracing Socialism because unfettered capitalism failed them. Many grew up in cars or tenement slums during the great recession when GW Bush's call for "deregulation" allowed financial institutions to peddle toxic mortgage packages to anyone with a pulse, and ratings institutions such as Stan ...[text shortened]... except - "Go see your insurance man"

Sorry Republicans - Socialism doesn't scare them anymore...

nor should it

@sh76 said
Every generation's young people scream the same tired socialist cliches. My parents tell me that the 60s was much worse in terms of anti-establishment agitation by the youth (quite apart from what one can read in the history books).

Eventually, they grow up and learn how the real world works. Then they become the curmudgeonly old codgers yelling about the kids and their fancy record players.

Ask the Boomers about the opinions they held when they were Hippies.

was a socialist in the 60s still the same now.

@dood111 said
Before Covid-19 hit, America had "a thriving job market"...3.5% unemployment was the lowest the country had seen in almost 50 years thanks to Trump and his administration.
Try again later with that noise.

What you mean to say is that the rich... The "Man"... was rich.

Everyone else was still struggling. Middle America is now Poor America. Thanks, Reagan. Thanks, Bush. Thanks, Trump.

@suzianne said
What you mean to say is that the rich... The "Man"... was rich.

Everyone else was still struggling. Middle America is now Poor America. Thanks, Reagan. Thanks, Bush. Thanks, Trump.

It's all relative. Comparing our worker's worth to the worth of "the Man", of course
it is lesser wealth, hence by definition - poor. Relatively poor.

Now compare the American minimum wager earner to the average Cuban worker
who makes $25 a MONTH. what's that, $0.16 per hour???
Why doesn't the MAN, the filthy rich $Billionaire, Castro PAY PAY PAY his poor workers??

Socialism NEVER makes things "equal", elitists will always rise to the top and
tool the system for all it's worth.

What you can get from extreme socialism is extreme mass poverty, people that
are malnourished, have very little in the way of common household items.

Want to try North Korea...?
Average height of a North Korean man - 171.5 cm (5' 7.5"😉
Average height of a South Korean man - 165.4 cm (5' 5"😉
The height differential is as a result of systemic starvation in the North since the
separation of the two, only about 65 years ago.

And as bad as that is, North Korea gets many tons of food donations every year.
https://www.northkoreaintheworld.org/humanitarian/food-assistance

Meanwhile, the MAN, the obese dear leader, Kim, is worth approximately $500 million.
He doesn't have to PAY his people, but can he at least FEED his people?
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Talk to me about the POOR. and the MAN.

@earl-of-trumps said
It's all relative. Comparing our worker's worth to the worth of "the Man", of course
it is lesser wealth, hence by definition - poor. Relatively poor.

Now compare the American minimum wager earner to the average Cuban worker
who makes $25 a MONTH. what's that, $0.16 per hour???
Why doesn't the MAN, the filthy rich $Billionaire, Castro PAY PAY PAY his poor worker ...[text shortened]... his people, but can he at least FEED his people?
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Talk to me about the POOR. and the MAN.

So you have to go to a foreign country to show how horrible socialism is. Why?

Because there is no socialism in America. Democrats aren't crying for socialism. I see the right parrot this every day. It's false.

So Socialistic societies are plagued by people who are corrupt. No one is surprised. These are "banana republics".

But bringing Trump into American politics, corrupting OUR heritage as the "shining beacon on the hill" does outrage me. Because this brings our society down to "banana republic" level.

How about a capitalism that doesn't have to stay on top by putting a knee to the necks of the poor? Corporations are rich, we get it. But do they have to be OBSCENELY rich?

I'm not talking about how they do things in some "banana republic". I'm talking about right here at home. Republicans want us, the "not-so-well-off", to continue shoveling money up the conveyor to the top, and they'll do anything to keep that perch. Including massive corruption, which is what they voted for when they voted for Donald J. Trump. Be careful what you wish for.


Talk to me about these "banana republics" overseas.

You want to bring them HERE.

@sh76 said
Every generation's young people scream the same tired socialist cliches. My parents tell me that the 60s was much worse in terms of anti-establishment agitation by the youth (quite apart from what one can read in the history books).

Eventually, they grow up and learn how the real world works. Then they become the curmudgeonly old codgers yelling about the kids and their fancy record players.

Ask the Boomers about the opinions they held when they were Hippies.

Are those "old codgers" complaining about Medicare which Ronald Reagan said in the early 1960s would lead to the loss of all our freedoms?

Or Social Security which the Right called "socialist" when FDR proposed it in the 1930s?

I suspect in a few decades people will be shaking their heads and laughing at the idea of crazed opposition to most of the ideas that Bernie and AOC now espouse.