04 Apr 08
"The idea that you need only public schools or only the aristocracy is going to get educated is erroneous. To me there are two parts of equity, and one is not forcing people to pay for other people's education. That seems more like theft than equity. …
"If you had private schooling, different schools would find different choices on these issues and different people could be satisfied. Just like we have many types of cars and many kinds of shirts, if you have a one-size-fits-all (system), you don't satisfy consumers. …
"I'm not attacking goodness. (Public education) is not good. We shouldn't be calling it public education; we should be calling it socialist education." --- Loyola University economics Prof. Walter Block
04 Apr 08
Originally posted by der schwarze Ritterwhere to begin....oh right! you're a doofus😛
"The idea that you need only public schools or only the aristocracy is going to get educated is erroneous. To me there are two parts of equity, and one is not forcing people to pay for other people's education. That seems more like theft than equity. …
"If you had private schooling, different schools would find different choices on these issue ...[text shortened]... be calling it socialist education." --- Loyola University economics Prof. Walter Block
04 Apr 08
Originally posted by mrstabbyWhat did the poor children do before there were government/education monopoly schools? If they weren't crowded out by government, I suppose churches, businesses and civic organizations would form their own schools. You'll note, that in communist countries, these organizations are outlawed.
It's like he wants class warfare to happen.
What do you suppose the millions of children too poor to go to school are going to do?
04 Apr 08
Originally posted by PalynkaHow does anyone know if they'll get the good kind of socialism? There are so many negative examples, it seems like the odds are weighted against being like European socialist countries and more in favor of things turning out like they did in Cuba.
Medical care and schooling are probably the only successes of former socialist countries (at least the European ones).
04 Apr 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterWho's talking about changing to a socialist regime? All I'm saying is that public education and public health care cannot be criticized by simply saying 'the socialists had them'.
How does anyone know if they'll get the good kind of socialism? There are so many negative examples, it seems like the odds are weighted against being like European socialist countries and more in favor of things turning out like they did in Cuba.
04 Apr 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterMost kids didn't even go to school. So much for charity.
What did the poor children do before there were government/education monopoly schools? If they weren't crowded out by government, I suppose churches, businesses and civic organizations would form their own schools. You'll note, that in communist countries, these organizations are outlawed.
04 Apr 08
If supporting state education is a sign of socialism, all of a sudden socialism has just become the dominant world political system. You'd be hard pressed to find any European politician who wasn't "socialist" for a start.
I suspect the BNP would be very surprised to learn that they were socialists.
04 Apr 08
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Originally posted by der schwarze RitterBlock's Anarcho/Capitalism suffers from the same problem of Chomsky's Anarcho/Syndicalism. Both theories merely shift the entirety of government/social power to the economic sphere. Domination is still, therefore, inevitable. It's just that it is achieved through economic means rather than governmental means.
"The idea that you need only public schools or only the aristocracy is going to get educated is erroneous. To me there are two parts of equity, and one is not forcing people to pay for other people's education. That seems more like theft than equity. …
"If you had private schooling, different schools would find different choices on these issue be calling it socialist education." --- Loyola University economics Prof. Walter Block
In your post Block ONLY ASSERTS that, "the idea that you need only public schools or only the aristocracy is going to get educated is erroneous." He never argues for this point. Frankly, I would say that you DO need public schools or else the poor will have insufficient access to quality education. The history of Western Civilization affirms this view.
If what you quoted here were an accurate representation of Block's case against public schools, I don't even think that the fanatics of the Austrian School would take him seriously. Aren't they all dead by now anyway?
***Block works at the "Joseph A. Butt College of Business" at Loyola. Seriously... This guy's from the Butt School! 😀
04 Apr 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterWhat did the poor children do before there were government/education monopoly schools?
What did the poor children do before there were government/education monopoly schools? If they weren't crowded out by government, I suppose churches, businesses and civic organizations would form their own schools. You'll note, that in communist countries, these organizations are outlawed.
They worked in the coal mines.
04 Apr 08
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Originally posted by der schwarze Ritterdsr: What did the poor children do before there were government/education monopoly schools?
What did the poor children do before there were government/education monopoly schools? If they weren't crowded out by government, I suppose churches, businesses and civic organizations would form their own schools. You'll note, that in communist countries, these organizations are outlawed.
Mostly they didn't go to school and were illiterate.
The community has decided that it wants to have free public education and is willing to pay for it (according to wiki, all states in the US have had free public elementary education since 1870). That's called "democracy".