17 Sep 04
Originally posted by ivangriceNot necessarily, just as graduating from college doesn't prove someone is intelligent. It is probably indicative of poor training in primary/secondary school. I have known plenty of highly intelligent people who had no more than a 4th grade education and couldn't write any better than a 4th grader, but they had a sharp mind along with good common sense. 🙂
Is poor spelling and/or grammar indicative of a low IQ?
17 Sep 04
Originally posted by chancremechanicMay good common sense rule forever!
Not necessarily, just as graduating from college doesn't prove someone is intelligent. It is probably indicative of poor training in primary/secondary school. I have known plenty of highly intelligent people who had no more than a 4th grade education and couldn't write any better than a 4th grader, but they had a sharp mind along with good common sense. 🙂
Hi mike.
17 Sep 04
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Originally posted by ivangriceWell, IQ measures several different things at once, including the ability to acquire and use language. So if someone has received a good education but still has significantly below-average spelling and grammar in their first language, then it would count against them. But if their education was substandard, or they're tested in a language they did not acquire naturally (ie they weren't immersed in it from an early age, and instead learnt it primarily from teaching), then it doesn't say anything about their IQ.
Is poor spelling and/or grammar indicative of a low IQ?
Of course, by 'count against' it doesn't mean their overall score is low, just as getting a question wrong on an exam paper doesn't mean you'll get a poor overall grade. It would be rather silly to base an IQ test solely on spelling and grammar.
17 Sep 04
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Originally posted by AcolyteDid you ever watch the american tv show called "Street Smarts"?
Well, IQ measures several different things at once, including the ability to acquire and use language. So if someone has received a good education but still has significantly below-average spelling and grammar in their first language, then ...[text shortened]... rily from teaching), then it doesn't say anything about their IQ.
They asked New Yorkers innocuous questions and two contestants are graded on their picking which of the two will respond correctly.
if anyone wonders what a liberal is... watch this show. The city of ten million liberals... is full of fools and idiots.
Or...
What? You tell me? Is not a show designed for NY, by NY people involving only NY people... not representative?
Perhaps. Perhaps they really are idiots. Living in a circumstance that allows no risk. Complete safety. You tell me. Just don't expect me to disbelieve what I see and hear with my own eyes and ears.
17 Sep 04
Originally posted by StarValleyWyI watched that show once or twice.
Did you ever watch the american tv show called "Street Smarts"?
They asked New Yorkers innocuous questions and two contestants are graded on their picking which of the two will respond correctly.
if anyone wonders what a liberal is... watch this show. The city of ten million liberals... is full of fools and idiots.
Or...
What? You tell me? ...[text shortened]... You tell me. Just don't expect me to disbelieve what I see and hear with my own eyes and ears.
I think there were two types of people interviewed generally.
1) Idiots, plain and simple
2) Normal to intelligent people who didn't mind looking like asses so that they could be used on television,
17 Sep 04
Originally posted by telerionYou are probably right. The question then becomes... "I am a producer. I want to portray a sympathetic view of the contestants. I want the people at home to be smarter than the norm."
I watched that show once or twice.
I think there were two types of people interviewed generally.
1) Idiots, plain and simple
2) Normal to intelligent people who didn't mind looking like asses so that they could be used on television,
Do you or I think that this is entertainment? I see it only as manipulation. The really sad part is that the producer is now the chief media consultant to the honorable (or not) John Kerry.
Weird world.
17 Sep 04
Originally posted by StarValleyWyAs far as game shows are concerned I want them to bring back gladiator fights...to the death!
You are probably right. The question then becomes... "I am a producer. I want to portray a sympathetic view of the contestants. I want the people at home to be smarter than the norm."
Do you or I think that this is entertainment? I see it only as manipulation. The really sad part is that the producer is now the chief media consultant to the honorable (or not) John Kerry.
Weird world.
The Romans...they knew what entertainment was.
17 Sep 04
Originally posted by shavixmirSo... you favor slavery? Why does that not strike me as surprising?
As far as game shows are concerned I want them to bring back gladiator fights...to the death!
The Romans...they knew what entertainment was.
By the way... I know humor and a poor attempt at humor. Ye are naught but a cub bairn of fair intent. Do carry on lad.
17 Sep 04
Originally posted by ivangriceIf you're talking about the English language I would say not. English has such an inconsistent orthography and very little grammar to speak of (it only has two tenses for instance). I would say poor spelling and grammar are indicative of having a poor memory for all the idiosyncrasies of English rather than anything else.
Is poor spelling and/or grammar indicative of a low IQ?
18 Sep 04
Originally posted by StarValleyWyI'm not sure any entertainment is far from manipulation. You don't think that Donna Reed or Leave it to Beaver weren't subtly trying to demonstrate how families 'should' be? You don't think that Ricky's/Lucy's separate beds weren't a social commentary?
Do you or I think that this is entertainment? I see it only as manipulation.
Entertainment is all about making people feel comfortable by creating tension. Take Andy Sipowicz from NYPD Blue (Dennis Franz): an alcoholic bigot on the road to redemption. We identify and feel compassion for his struggles and being thankful for his transcendece of them. Consider Fear Factor: people eat bugs or walk through mounds of dung; we watch because we are shocked by what people do. Consider TV's Funniest Videos (or whatever it's called): half the show is some guy getting hit in the money spot with a golf ball. Reaction? 'Gee, I'm glad I'm not that guy.' Every show on television (except for documentaries/PBS stuff) subtly teaches us what is and is not ok either by direct example (be like this guy) or counterexample (don't be like this guy) or parody (Gee, I'm glad I'm not that guy!).
If they picked the New Yorkers who were going to be composed, intelligent and pleasant, how much shock value entertainment would that be? No, they pick idiots willing to make fools of themselves on television. Everyone watching says, 'Even I'm smarter/less pitiful than him!' Yes, it's crude, but it's the same reaction people had to Archie Bunker, Fred Sanford, Alex Keaton (at times), Dan Fielding (John Larroquette on Night Court), or George Costanza, or any game or reality show.
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18 Sep 04
Originally posted by ivangriceWell, technically yes, since IQ measures these very qualities.
Is poor spelling and/or grammar indicative of a low IQ?
But, having a low IQ does not equate with being unintelligent, which I think is the spirit of your question. IQ tests have been, since their inception in 1904, very unreliable for measuring raw aptitude. In light of what we have learned about learning disabilities (how they work and how to work around them), scores from people with LDs can appear deceptively (and inaccurately) low. I mean, do you think that Einstein had a 'low IQ?' But everything I've ever read about him say that his test scores in school were abysmal and, I think one could reasonably conclude that if he had taken such IQ tests (or SATs, and the like), he would have scored rather low.
This site has some interesting information about IQ.
http://www.audiblox2000.com/dyslexia_dyslexic/dyslexia014.htm
Enjoy.
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