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Originally posted by FabianFnasRead the bottom of my first post. Symbolise? Maybe they're supposed to
What does "Q" symbolize?
symbolise the ultimate goal for any technologically advanced society?
Maybe it's also supposed to be a warning that technology in all its comfort
has a tendency to make us arrogant and indifferent to less fortunate
people's needs; lessen our moral values and increase our own selfish
requirements for pleasure and extravaganza?
Maybe it's just an expression of atheistic scepticism to a God entity.
Whatever evidence of a God you throw at me, I'll respond with the
possibility that "the miracles" are merely the result of extremely advanced
technology being used.
Originally posted by PalynkaSpot on! I had no idea that's what it was called. Thanks. 🙂
Wikipedia says: Technocracy. Seems about right to me.
Now what?
I'd have to say that uzless weren't totally off though. It seems to me that
of any real-world organisation out there, the UN fits the comparison best.
Some would suggest that the UN is a world-government in the making. And
it does hold up many of the core values of the federation: protection of
human rights (of course in star trek that would be the rights of any
intelligent life form) and the collaboration across cultural and ideological
borders in the name of preserving peace. The basic idea is the same.
No?
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterI read up a little on this, and it turns out you're right about the klingons.
You're talking about the gossip stories -- none of that really happened. Besides, the only Enterprise worth mentioning is the one captained by James T. Kirk. Back then, the delineations were pretty clear: the Federation was the West, led by the United States (else why was Federation HQ in San Francisco?), the Klingons were the Soviet Union, and the Romulans were ancient Rome.
Originally they were meant to symbolise the communists in old soviet
union. I haven't seen much of those early episodes with klingons, but it
seems to me that they're now portrayed much more in line with the
samurai culture of old Japan. A people of warriors (ruled by an emperor)
where the most honourable thing imaginable is dying in battle against a
worthy opponent without displaying any fear of dying. Doesn't sound
much like a description of the people of communist soviet union, does it?
Or maybe that's the image USA:ans had of communism back in the days? 😕
Originally posted by JigtieAll the gossip stories are written by women and men who are in touch with their feelings.
I read up a little on this, and it turns out you're right about the klingons.
Originally they were meant to symbolise the communists in old soviet
union. I haven't seen much of those early episodes with klingons, but it
seems to me that they're now portrayed much more in line with the
samurai culture of old Japan. A people of warriors (ruled by an emp ...[text shortened]... union, does it?
Or maybe that's the image USA:ans had of communism back in the days? 😕
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Originally posted by JigtieNever mind all that, who is going to save the whales so that we can save ourselves?
Interesting how both of you have completely different ideas on what the
federation is supposed to symbolise. I think uzless is right though. Your
description of communism shavix, fits ironically well on UN, doesn't it?
There be whales captin!!
Edit: Who do the whales represent?
Originally posted by uzlessFrom one particular perspective, that they always seem to be observing and then take the high road in not wanting to interfere which was just a lame way of not getting their hands dirty.
No, the UN is the Federation...not the US.
My conspiracy theory is that Star Trek was intended to show the weakness of having a toothless Tiger such as the UN and by showing generations of fans the meaninglessness of idly standing by they hoped to create a groundswell of residual opinion such that now they can successfully get the US to engage in interfering militaristic activity without anyone really getting too perturbed about it.