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  1. 07 Jul '09 11:51
    WASHINGTON (AP) — Vice President Joe Biden said the Obama administration "misread how bad the economy was" but stands by its stimulus package and believes the plan will create more jobs as the pace of its spending picks up.
    Biden, in an interview airing Sunday on ABC's "This Week," said the nation's 9.5 percent unemployment rate is "much too high."
    "The figures we worked off of in January were the consensus figures and most of the blue chip indexes out there," Biden said.
    "We misread how bad the economy was, but we are now only about 120 days into the recovery package," Biden added. More jobs will be created in coming months, he said.
    Biden noted that the $787 billion economic stimulus package was set up to spend the money over 18 months. Major programs will take effect in September, including $7.5 billion for broadband Internet service, plus new money for high-speed rail and the nation's electrical grid, he said.
    Biden said it's premature to say whether the country will need a second stimulus package
    Jake Tapper and Karen Travers report: In an interview with Bloomberg News’ Al Hunt today, President Obama says he thinks unemployment will hit 10% this year.

    Will unemployment reach 10%? asks Hunt.

    “Yes,” says the president.

    Before the end of this year? asks Hunt.

    “Yes,” says the president.

    “I think that what you’ve seen is that the pace of job loss has slowed,” Mr. Obama says, “and I think that the economy is going to turn around. But as you know, jobs are a lagging indicator. And we've got to produce 150,000 jobs every month just to keep pace.”

    But, he said, “we will end up seeing recovery shortly.”

    In January, the incoming administration predicted in a white paper study that without a huge stimulus package, unemployment would reach just over 8%, and would be contained at under 8% with a stimulus package.

    (When asked about this discrepancy, one of the authors of the study – Jared Bernstein, the top economic adviser to Vice President Biden – recently said that “when we made our initial estimates, that was before we had fourth-quarter results on GDP, which we later found out was contracting at an annual rate of 6 percent, far worse than we expected at that time.” The bottom line, Bernstein said, is that without the stimulus the unemployment rate “would have been between 1.5 and 2 points higher than it otherwise will be.&rdquo

    Hunt’s interview with the president today was scheduled as a way of setting up the president’s announcement tomorrow of greater financial regulations and a new government organization, the Consumer Financial Protection Agency, which will have a mission to regulate credit, savings, payment and other consumer financial products and services, and to protect consumers who use those institutions.

    Does Wall Street “get it”? Hunt asks the president.

    “Wall Street seems to maybe have a shorter memory about how close we were to the abyss than I would have expected,” the president says, chuckling. “All we’re doing is cleaning up after the mess that was made.”

    -Jake Tapper and Karen Travers
    Perhaps some of the statest can clear this up for me.Is the administration changing their tune on the stimulus pkg? I thought this was going to cure every thing according to them? Biden says we mis read the economy? Obama says unemployment will hit 10%? Why the hurry to push the bill through in the first place?Didnt Obama say it would prevent the unemployment rate from rising? We had to act now? Stay tuned Obamanites!Another stimulus is on the way w/more taxes for the middle class!CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!!!
  2. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    07 Jul '09 18:49
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    WASHINGTON (AP) — Vice President Joe Biden said the Obama administration "misread how bad the economy was" but stands by its stimulus package and believes the plan will create more jobs as the pace of its spending picks up.
    Biden, in an interview airing Sunday on ABC's "This Week," said the nation's 9.5 percent unemployment rate is "much too high."
    ...[text shortened]... mulus is on the way w/more taxes for the middle class!CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!!!
    So....when George W Bush backs the idea of pumping billions of dollars into the American economy as a stimulus, you are all for it, but when Obama does the same thing he's a "Socialist". Interesting double standard.
  3. 07 Jul '09 19:21
    Originally posted by bill718
    So....when George W Bush backs the idea of pumping billions of dollars into the American economy as a stimulus, you are all for it, but when Obama does the same thing he's a "Socialist". Interesting double standard.
    for one BILL,I never said I approved when G.W. did this .
    secondly,he did not run on a platform of CHANGE!
    In a positive way,how is Obama giving us change we can believe in?
    Its the same ol same ol.dirty politicians up to lying dirty tricks to get their agendas passed.When are you obamanites gonna admit you have all been duped?
  4. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    07 Jul '09 19:31
    Originally posted by bill718
    So....when George W Bush backs the idea of pumping billions of dollars into the American economy as a stimulus, you are all for it, but when Obama does the same thing he's a "Socialist". Interesting double standard.
    When did he say he was all for Bush's bailout/stimulus package?
  5. 07 Jul '09 19:34
    Did Obama really say the stimulus package would prevent unemployment rising...? I sincerely doubt that.
  6. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    07 Jul '09 20:13
    ObamaOriginally posted by utherpendragon
    for one BILL,I never said I approved when G.W. did this .
    secondly,he did not run on a platform of CHANGE!
    In a positive way,how is Obama giving us change we can believe in?
    Its the same ol same ol.dirty politicians up to lying dirty tricks to get their agendas passed.When are you obamanites gonna admit you have all been duped?
    Calm down, I'm not an Obamaite. Frankly I think Obama is just an average President at this point. President Obama does bring about some needed changes however. i.e.

    1. Obama looks at economic issues from some other prespective than that of the Corperate boardroom.

    2. Obama's policies have stablized an economy that was spinning out of control under "W"

    3. Obama is keeping his promise to withdraw Americas troops from Iraq, and to turn over security to the Iraq forces.

    4. Unlike "W", Obama is instituting a policy whereby ALL American's have access to healthcare.

    ...not bad for 5+ months in office. All of these things were needed change. I'm sorry if his success distresses you.
  7. Standard member StTito
    The Mullverine
    07 Jul '09 20:33
    does anybody here know how to turn an economy that has been screwed for close to 8 years around in 7 months, cause you might have a good job in your future.
  8. 07 Jul '09 20:40
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Did Obama really say the stimulus package would prevent unemployment rising...? I sincerely doubt that.
    it is common knowledge he said (paraphrasing) we had to push the stimulus through now to keep unemployment from hitting 8%. We are now closing in on 10% w/ it passed. so whats up w/ that?
  9. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    07 Jul '09 20:43
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    it is common knowledge he said (paraphrasing) we had to push the stimulus through now to keep unemployment from hitting 8%. We are now closing in on 10% w/ it passed. so whats up w/ that?
    It's called capitalism.
  10. Standard member StTito
    The Mullverine
    07 Jul '09 20:43
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    it is common knowledge he said (paraphrasing) we had to push the stimulus through now to keep unemployment from hitting 8%. We are now closing in on 10% w/ it passed. so whats up w/ that?
    so you pass something today and it effects start tomorrow? wow your sense of reality is keen.
  11. 07 Jul '09 20:46
    Originally posted by StTito
    so you pass something today and it effects start tomorrow? wow your sense of reality is keen.
    it has nothing to do w/ my sense of reality.im going by what they said.Obama is full of crap.why do you all give him a free pass when it is obvious to a duck he is lying through his teeth?
  12. Standard member StTito
    The Mullverine
    07 Jul '09 20:56
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    it has nothing to do w/ my sense of reality.im going by what they said.Obama is full of crap.why do you all give him a free pass when it is obvious to a duck he is lying through his teeth?
    it has everything to do with reality. In my world It takes time to fix the worlds largest economy. Probably years, not months. For once we have a president who's first reaction is not "lets start a war that will keep their minds off the state of things". I'm not going to jump on the knee jerk partisan band wagon and bad mouth someone's 1st 7 months in a 4 year job.
  13. 07 Jul '09 21:00
    Originally posted by StTito
    it has everything to do with reality. In my world It takes time to fix the worlds largest economy. Probably years, not months. For once we have a president who's first reaction is not "lets start a war that will keep their minds off the state of things". I'm not going to jump on the knee jerk partisan band wagon and bad mouth someone's 1st 7 months in a 4 year job.
    did obama say the stimulus would prevent unemployment from hitting 8%?
    did he say if you make under 250,000 you would get no new tax in any form what so ever?
  14. Standard member StTito
    The Mullverine
    07 Jul '09 21:13
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    did obama say the stimulus would prevent unemployment from hitting 8%?
    did he say if you make under 250,000 you would get no new tax in any form what so ever?
    1-yes, but if you have a crystal ball, you should use it.
    2- no he did not
  15. 07 Jul '09 21:25
    Originally posted by StTito
    1-yes, but if you have a crystal ball, you should use it.
    2- no he did not
    read it and weep:

    "Under my plan," Obama said September 12, 2008 in Dover, N.H., "no family making less than $250,000.00 a year will see any form of tax increase." To emphasize the point he continued, "Not your income taxes, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."