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    This dispute is not about cutting wages but altering staffing levels to save money to avoid bankruptcy. Your argunebt is simply irrelevant in rn this case.
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    Originally posted by Leon Alvarado
    This dispute is not about cutting wages but altering staffing levels to save money to avoid bankruptcy. Your argunebt is simply irrelevant in rn this case.
    The dispute is more than about staffing levels (though this is a major part of it).

    There's a pay freeze too - effectively a wage cut.
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    Originally posted by Leon Alvarado
    Why do we put up with 'strikers' who threaten vital public services. All that is needed is to call their bluff and sack them.
    that's right, especially govt workers, then they won't be clogging up public transit slots need by the rest of us.
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    And, on average, a better quality of life than Americans, longer holidays, and higher productivity.
    Longer holidays -- yes. I had nine weeks vacation when I worked there (5 weeks plus 21 'RTT' days. An RTT day was compensation for the fact that you worked 40 hours/week but by law were only supposed to work 35 hrs/week.) But there was no such thing as a sick or personal day -- that came out of those days, too.

    Better quality of life -- No, different quality of life. Living in France can be as annoying as anywhere else. The US is much easier and more convenient. You can find what you need and get it without hassles -- often 24/7. Food is better in France.

    More Productive -- No. I'm not sure where this myth comes from, but I know it is false. It took me a month and 12 visits to get a simple phone line repair. My brother-in-law says there is no comparison between his UK group (efficient) and his Paris group (always inclined to argue about their job descriptions). The French attitude to something not working is, "Great! Then I don't have to do ... xyz!" They look forward to things not working.
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    Originally posted by spruce112358
    Better quality of life -- No, different quality of life. Living in France can be as annoying as anywhere else. The US is much easier and more convenient. You can find what you need and get it without hassles -- often 24/7.
    Speaking as a person who has found a better quality of life despite living in a apart of the world where everything is far, far less convenient than where I once lived in Europe, I really don't understand why people always think of 'quality of life' in terms of business transactions, consumption etc. Oh how those who are obsessed with the mathematics of economics have, first hogged the definition of, and then deliberately shrivelled the meaning of the human condition! 😛
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    Do not flatter yourself that your argument is 'too difficult' for me to comprehend. You are evidently just too thick to be able to see that it is totally irrelevant.
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    Your 'points' are completely irrelevant in the context of the present 'dispute', which is solely concerned with trying to save a loss-making enterpise from dissolution by reducing costs.
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    Originally posted by Leon Alvarado
    Your 'points' are completely irrelevant in the context of the present 'dispute', which is solely concerned with trying to save a loss-making enterpise from dissolution by reducing costs.
    You claimed it was not about cutting wages. It clearly is.

    As usual, in your various persona, you've no idea what you're on about.
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    What is to be Leon Alvarado. In 9 words. A masterpiece of encapsulation.
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