Originally posted by slappy115Having had someone in my own family commit suicide I can say that it's an enormous load to put on other people - so from that perspective I find it an entirely selfish action to take.
What are your thoughts on suicide? Is it justifiable under certain scenarios?
And this has always bothered me. Suicide is illegal in the US but how can you be punished if you're able to get away with the act?
But the notion of the illegality of the act is a bit strange.
In a country like the US, which prides itslef on the rights of the individual over pretty much anything else, it strikes me as a bit incongruous that individuals can't be responsible for their own lives.
Originally posted by amannionSorry to hear about your family member do that (and I did consider that their would be someone on the site who had had that happen. I almost didn't post it for that reason). I agree that it is a selfish act. But if you were in war and were constantly being tortured by the enemy because you were captured, could you justify it.
Having had someone in my own family commit suicide I can say that it's an enormous load to put on other people - so from that perspective I find it an entirely selfish action to take.
But the notion of the illegality of the act is a bit strange.
In a country like the US, which prides itslef on the rights of the individual over pretty much anything else, it strikes me as a bit incongruous that individuals can't be responsible for their own lives.
I agree with you about the illegality of it. If you want to do it, I guess you have the right to do it.
Originally posted by slappy115From my own perspective, I don't see how you couldn't justify it at any time. I believe in the fundamental right of autonomy for any person - to do with your own body whatever you want to do.
Sorry to hear about your family member do that (and I did consider that their would be someone on the site who had had that happen. I almost didn't post it for that reason). I agree that it is a selfish act. But if you were in war and were constantly being tortured by the enemy because you were captured, could you justify it.
I agree with you about the illegality of it. If you want to do it, I guess you have the right to do it.
But - personal experience or not - I wouldn't consider it myself, because I think it's a coward's way out of any difficult situation.
Of course, the situation you raise is an interesting one. Not sure how I would cope with torture (probably not very well I think) so I couldn't answer that one.
Originally posted by slappy115By the way, don't be worried about your posting. It's the tough things, the threatening things, the eotionally difficult things that we should talk more about.
Sorry to hear about your family member do that (and I did consider that their would be someone on the site who had had that happen. I almost didn't post it for that reason). I agree that it is a selfish act. But if you were in war and were constantly being tortured by the enemy because you were captured, could you justify it.
I agree with you about the illegality of it. If you want to do it, I guess you have the right to do it.
Originally posted by amannionSee, I think about, sometimes to extremes, but to actually carry it out is a completely other subject. It was Nietzshe, I think, who said to the effect that "The thought of suicide is the thought of comfort for it will get a man through many a bad night." It is the thought, not the action, because there are always worse things in life than what you are going through.
From my own perspective, I don't see how you couldn't justify it at any time. I believe in the fundamental right of autonomy for any person - to do with your own body whatever you want to do.
But - personal experience or not - I wouldn't consider it myself, because I think it's a coward's way out of any difficult situation.
Of course, the situation you ...[text shortened]... I would cope with torture (probably not very well I think) so I couldn't answer that one.
I might, though, under torture.
Originally posted by slappy115Most (if not all) jurisdictions in the US have long since abandoned the law making suicide a crime. It's now treated as a mental problem, not a criminal one, has been for many years.
What are your thoughts on suicide? Is it justifiable under certain scenarios?
And this has always bothered me. Suicide is illegal in the US but how can you be punished if you're able to get away with the act?
Originally posted by slappy115Suicide is easily justifiable. It's your body and your life; do as you will with it.
What are your thoughts on suicide? Is it justifiable under certain scenarios?
And this has always bothered me. Suicide is illegal in the US but how can you be punished if you're able to get away with the act?
Originally posted by slappy115Suicide is NOT illegal in the United States, it hasn't been for many years. It's treated as a mental problem, not a crime.
What are your thoughts on suicide? Is it justifiable under certain scenarios?
And this has always bothered me. Suicide is illegal in the US but how can you be punished if you're able to get away with the act?
Ending your life because you feel like it's the only way out is your choice. However, unlike saying something, it cannot be taken back.
The legality of suicide really has no bearing on the subject. I was just curious.
As for assisted suicides, if you want someone to end your life because you cannot, I see no problem with it. The person who does it has to the live with the choice he made, not me.
Committing suicide is without a doubt a very selfish thing.
On the other hand it is indeed your life and you didn´t asked for it nor do anybody then you has to decide about it.
So IMO yes, everybody should have the right of chosing to end his life.
For sick people I would prefer those special clinics like in Switzerland where they can die in respect.
Non-sick people can only hope that they have very high buildings around or live in a state where its easy to obtain a as big as possible gun. Unless you have the balls of a samurai or you are very very sad.
So yes suicide is okay even when it is the living hell for your family.
Your life - why should you give a damn ?