16 Sep 04
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If you're interested in the Dutch euthanasia law, you can visit:
http://www.justitie.nl/english//Themes/euthanasia/summary_of_the_bill.asp?ComponentID=35489&SourcePageID=35146
The site is in English language.
An extended (important) quote:
The new legal regulations do not essentially change anything in the grounds permitting termination of life on request and assisted suicide. However, the due care requirements have been formulated somewhat more extensively. The due care requirements mentioned in Criminal Code Article 293, paragraph two, stipulate that the physician:
1. must be convinced that the patient has made a voluntary and well-considered request to die;
2. must be convinced that the patient's is facing interminable and unendurable suffering;
3. has informed the patient about his situation and his prospects;
4. together with the patient, must be convinced that there is no other reasonable solution;
5. has consulted at least one other independent doctor of the patient;
6. has seen and given his written assessment of the due care requirements as referred to in points 1 to 4;
7. has helped the patient to die with due medical care.
16 Sep 04
Originally posted by ivanhoeDo you know if, according to Dutch law, being clinically depressed precludes giving "voluntary and well-considered" consent? Can a minor give such consent? If a person cannot communicate such consent to a doctor, does the law allow a guardian to give consent for the patient?
If you're interested in the Dutch euthanasia law, you can visit:
http://www.justitie.nl/english//Themes/euthanasia/summary_of_the_bill.asp?ComponentID=35489&SourcePageID=35146
The site is in English language.
An extended (important) quote:
The new legal regulations do not essentially change anything in the grounds permitting termination of li ...[text shortened]... ts as referred to in points 1 to 4;
7. has helped the patient to die with due medical care.
16 Sep 04
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Originally posted by bbarrBbarr: "Do you know if, according to Dutch law, being clinically depressed precludes giving "voluntary and well-considered" consent?
Do you know if, according to Dutch law, being clinically depressed precludes giving "voluntary and well-considered" consent? Can a minor give such consent? If a person cannot communicate such consent to a doctor, does the law allow a guardian to give consent for the patient?
The interpretation of the law poses a lot of problems as you can imagine. The interpretation is left to the judicial system, in the end the judges will decide. A big problem is that the (new) law is not being upheld at all. Maybe I will adress that point later in some thread.
No, being clinically depressed does not pose a barrier in the euthanasia practice.
Bbarr: " Can a minor give such consent? "
Yes.
Taken from the summary of the Dutch euthanasia law:
http://www.justitie.nl/english//Themes/euthanasia/summary_of_the_bill.asp?ComponentID=35489&SourcePageID=35146
"Minors
The legislation also includes regulations regarding termination of life on request and assisted suicide involving minors. It is generally assumed that minors too have the discernment to arrive at a sound and well-considered request to end their life. Regarding the various age groups, the new legislation links up with the existing legislation concerning medical conduct towards minors. Children of 16 and 17 can, in principle, make their own decision. Their parents must, however, be involved in the decision-making process regarding the ending of their life. For children aged 12 to 16, the approval of parents or guardian is required."
BBarr: If a person cannot communicate such consent to a doctor, does the law allow a guardian to give consent for the patient?[/b]
Not for adults, but I'm not sure. Maybe there are exceptions.
16 Sep 04
Originally posted by ivanhoeWow, I guess my views are fairly moderate, at least in comparison to those of the Dutch.
Bbarr: "Do you know if, according to Dutch law, being clinically depressed precludes giving "voluntary and well-considered" consent?
The interpretation of the law poses a lot of problems as you can imagine. The interpretation is left to the judicial system, in the end the judges will decide. A big problem is that the (new) law is not being upheld at a ...[text shortened]... consent for the patient?
Not for adults, but I'm not sure. Maybe there are exceptions.
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16 Sep 04
Originally posted by bbarr
Wow, I guess my views are fairly moderate, at least in comparison to those of the Dutch.
Bbarr: "b]Wow, I guess my views are fairly moderate, at least in comparison to those of the Dutch.[/b]
Yes, they are indeed.
I'll be posting more on Dutch Euthanasia practise in a few days or so.
16 Sep 04
Originally posted by bbarrAs far as I know clinically depressed people cannot participate in Euthenasia. Maybe it is more a case of it 'not being done' rather than it being illegal though.
Do you know if, according to Dutch law, being clinically depressed precludes giving "voluntary and well-considered" consent? Can a minor give such consent? If a person cannot communicate such consent to a doctor, does the law allow a guardian to give consent for the patient?
I, for one, have not heard of a single case of it.
As far as I know there has to be psychiatric report as well. This isn't mentioned in what Ivanhoe writes. (I'm nearly certain anyways..it's been a long time since I got it at school and they've probably changed the law 10x since then as well).
I've also never heard of a minor having euthenasia.
The thing you have to take into consideration is what is 'law' and what is 'general practice'.
Maybe Ivanhoe can give us a run down of the figures of, say, 2003. How many people died (I know it to be 1626) of Euthenasia, what their illness was and how old they were?
16 Sep 04
Originally posted by shavixmir
As far as I know clinically depressed people cannot participate in Euthenasia. Maybe it is more a case of it 'not being done' rather than it being illegal though.
I, for one, have not heard of a single case of it.
As far as I know there has to be psychiatric report as well. This isn't mentioned in what Ivanhoe writes. (I'm nearly certain anyways. ...[text shortened]... people died (I know it to be 1626) of Euthenasia, what their illness was and how old they were?
Shavix: "]As far as I know clinically depressed people cannot participate in Euthenasia. Maybe it is more a case of it 'not being done' rather than it being illegal though.
I, for one, have not heard of a single case of it. "
I have.
Shavix: "I've also never heard of a minor having euthenasia."
The law allows it. You can read it in the summary.
Shavix: "The thing you have to take into consideration is what is 'law' and what is 'general practice'.
I was adressing this problem using a different description. I called it what it was not using eufemisms: the law is not being upheld.
16 Sep 04
Originally posted by ivanhoeSo, are there long lists of kids wanting to kill themselves?
Shavix: "]As far as I know clinically depressed people cannot participate in Euthenasia. Maybe it is more a case of it 'not being done' rather than it being illegal though.
I, for one, have not heard of a single case of it. "
I have.
Shavix: "I've also never heard of a minor having euthenasia."
The law allows it. You can read it in the su ...[text shortened]... fferent description. I called it what it was not using eufemisms: the law is not being upheld.
My problem with the whole issue is that I couldn't really care less if someone wants to kill him/herself (for whatever reason).
But, I am quite interested in overal statistics. Like how many children, etc. etc.
How many clinically depressed people?
16 Sep 04
Originally posted by shavixmir
So, are there long lists of kids wanting to kill themselves?
My problem with the whole issue is that I couldn't really care less if someone wants to kill him/herself (for whatever reason).
But, I am quite interested in overal statistics. Like how many children, etc. etc.
How many clinically depressed people?
Maybe you can find them on the internet !