31 Jan 07
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here in the uk the government has just promoted and agreed the first new large casinos, they want people to take up gambling so they can squeeze lots of taxes out of em. this is yet another uk disaster. i visited 2 casinos in connecticut where i saw sad old people with nothing better to do than waste their money in slot machines, in an athmosphere with pumped oxygen to keep em awake and pumped sound effects (bit like churchbells in the distance) for some sort of psychological effect i dread to even imagine. it was like a scary science fiction version of the future. it is frustrating being within a society where you can see successive bad moves being made, without any power to stop it.
31 Jan 07
Originally posted by eamon oI don't like casinos. I don't like the lottery. I don't really like any gambling at all. But if you believe people should be able to spend their money in whatever way they want, then I don't see what we can do about it.
here in the uk the government has just promoted and agreed the first new large casinos, they want people to take up gambling so they can squeeze lots of taxes out of em. this is yet another uk disaster. i visited 2 casinos in connecticut where i saw sad old people with nothing better to do than waste their money in slot machines, in an athmosphere with pump ...[text shortened]... ithin a society where you can see successive bad moves being made, without any power to stop it.
Not sure about laws in the UK, but the US is pretty tight on gambling. Except the kind that is sponsored and financially supported by the govt.
31 Jan 07
Originally posted by eamon oI bet it won't be long before we start hearing of people claiming on the NHS to help with their gambling addiction. 😞
here in the uk the government has just promoted and agreed the first new large casinos, they want people to take up gambling so they can squeeze lots of taxes out of em. this is yet another uk disaster. i visited 2 casinos in connecticut where i saw sad old people with nothing better to do than waste their money in slot machines, in an athmosphere with pump ...[text shortened]... ithin a society where you can see successive bad moves being made, without any power to stop it.
31 Jan 07
Originally posted by eamon oDon´t go?
here in the uk the government has just promoted and agreed the first new large casinos, they want people to take up gambling so they can squeeze lots of taxes out of em. this is yet another uk disaster. i visited 2 casinos in connecticut where i saw sad old people with nothing better to do than waste their money in slot machines, in an athmosphere with pump ...[text shortened]... ithin a society where you can see successive bad moves being made, without any power to stop it.
31 Jan 07
Originally posted by nige22I think the effects of having a supercasion (regardless of if you go or not) are negative.
Don´t go?
The goverment has stated that this will help with re-generation of the area....I donlt think that holds true in all cases.
For example in Atlantic City the effects have not been that postive for the local comminuty, whilist jobs are created the negative effects out weight them. Increased whores, gambling addition or robbing to fund the habit go hand in hand. Plus the whole commiunty is geared towards the vistors so local people suffer as a by product
31 Jan 07
Originally posted by RSMA1234They said the same thing about building casinos in Atlantic City. The result has been an increase in crime, prostitution, drug use, spread of AIDs, gambling addiction, etc. Basically, gambling is basically a zero-sum game where the casinos suck stability and economic development out of an area.
I think the effects of having a supercasion (regardless of if you go or not) are negative.
The goverment has stated that this will help with re-generation of the area....I donlt think that holds true in all cases.
For example in Atlantic City the effects have not been that postive for the local comminuty, whilist jobs are created the negative effects ...[text shortened]... d. Plus the whole commiunty is geared towards the vistors so local people suffer as a by product
31 Jan 07
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterTrue...agree 100 %
They said the same thing about building casinos in Atlantic City. The result has been an increase in crime, prostitution, drug use, spread of AIDs, gambling addiction, etc. Basically, gambling is basically a zero-sum game where the casinos suck stability and economic development out of an area.
Its only a tax issue that is really driving this, but then again, do the cost of fixing the negative issues cost less than the extra tax revenues ?
Not sure on that one....
31 Jan 07
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterI read a study about gambling in Oklahoma and their answer was no -- the state collects the lion's share of the revenues from the casinos while the social costs are fobbed off onto the local communities.
They said the same thing about building casinos in Atlantic City. The result has been an increase in crime, prostitution, drug use, spread of AIDs, gambling addiction, etc. Basically, gambling is a zero-sum game where the casinos suck stability and economic development out of an area.
01 Feb 07
Originally posted by eamon oeamon o, just so you know my point of reference, I live about a mile from the Mohegan Sun, here in Connecticut.
here in the uk the government has just promoted and agreed the first new large casinos, they want people to take up gambling so they can squeeze lots of taxes out of em. this is yet another uk disaster. i visited 2 casinos in connecticut where i saw sad old people with nothing better to do than waste their money in slot machines, in an athmosphere with pump ...[text shortened]... ithin a society where you can see successive bad moves being made, without any power to stop it.
The casino's in Atlantic City, NJ., were supposed to be the solution to a city in crisis. Tourist and their money was going to be the answer to the cities woes. Instead, the money backers that brought the casinos to Atlanitc City, were equally as quick to take the profit out of the city. The state gets their share of taxes, but the host city gets very little of that. The tourist go straigt to the casinio/hotel, and spend no money in the city itself. Actually, Atlantic City may be worse off today.
Here in Connecticut, some of that is valid also. Although there casino's are built on "Indian reservations", most of the money is non-taxable. The deal with the state of Connecticut is that half of the profit from the slots (only) goes to the state, and they keep the rest. But very little of that money goes to the host/local communities. All that money goes to the capital of Connecticut, Hartford, who distributes it throughout the state, based on population. So, bigger the city/town, the larger the percentage you get. And as you visited the two casino's here in Connecticut, I am sure you noticed that they are pretty rural. Since we have a small population, we locals only recieve a small percentage of that revenue.
So, thousands of low end jobs are created, which a lot are filled by Asian's & South American's. This creates a large demand for low-income housing. Houses around the casino are bought up by the Asians, who turn them into barracks. The local schools are also burdened. We have requirements to accomidate all students, regardless of the language that they speak. In Norwich (Ct.) the schools there are accomidating 42 different languages, while trying to teach them english as well. In addition, traffic in our little cow town has gone up quite a bit.
Overall, I like the casinos being in the area. We have big name shows, boxing & MMA fights, and nice resturants here now. The only folks that dorked it up was the greedy politictians, that have spread the money to large cities far away, to gain votes, vice spending it here in the local schools & infrastruture, where it is needed.
01 Feb 07
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterI thought you liked capitalism?
They said the same thing about building casinos in Atlantic City. The result has been an increase in crime, prostitution, drug use, spread of AIDs, gambling addiction, etc. Basically, gambling is basically a zero-sum game where the casinos suck stability and economic development out of an area.
01 Feb 07
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Originally posted by Dace Aceinteresting dace. yes one of the casinos i visited was the mohegan sun, it was interesting but scary. the feedback coming through this thread backs-up my concern that the politicians here in the uk are making a bad move for questionable motives.
eamon o, just so you know my point of reference, I live about a mile from the Mohegan Sun, here in Connecticut.
The casino's in Atlantic City, NJ., were supposed to be the solution to a city in crisis. Tourist and their money was going to be the answer to the cities woes. Instead, the money backers that brought the casinos to Atlanitc City, were equall in votes, vice spending it here in the local schools & infrastruture, where it is needed.
(if id known where you lived i would have dropped in 😀 )