08 Jun 11
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What specifically would you, as the senior person In Charge of making these decisions, stop funding?
Strategic nuclear weapons?
Carrier battle groups?
Amphibious Attack?
F-35?
Drones?
Smart Weapons?
Computers and Communications?
EDIT - No1marauder's response in the other thread with respect to the Navy: almost everything. We don't need anywhere near all those nuclear armed submarines and we could get by with mothballing about half our aircraft carriers. That would be a good start.
08 Jun 11
Cut military pay they are grossly over paid.
http://www.militaryfactory.com/military_pay_scale.asp
This chart is their base pay, it doesn't include all the extra $ they get, like seperate rations, housing allowance, overseas/combat pay/flight pay/ etc, and their free medical-dental-care, clothing allowance, , not to mention retiring after 20 years of service at the ripe old age of 38 if they started after high school.
And the sign up/additional reenlistment bonuses are many thousands of dollars each time you re-up.
09 Jun 11
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Originally posted by Zapp BranniganYep, I totall agree! Hang on one sec, I need to pour myself another splash of this $200 per bottle Champagne.
Cut military pay they are grossly over paid.
http://www.militaryfactory.com/military_pay_scale.asp
This chart is their base pay, it doesn't include all the extra $ they get, like seperate rations, housing allowance, overseas/combat pay/flight pay/ etc, and their free medical-dental-care, clothing allowance, , not to mention retiring after 20 yea ...[text shortened]... the sign up/additional reenlistment bonuses are many thousands of dollars each time you re-up.
OK, I'm back. Cutting military pay might be the poke in the eye that you're looking for, but your post is highly misleading.
Let's start by pointing out people in the military give up a great deal in terms of quality of life, personal freedoms and risk to their (our) lives on a regular basis.
How much someone is actually getting paid compared to the civilian world really depends on the MOS and in some occupations there is no comparable job outside the military. There are many military occupations that get paid considerably more in the civilian world, i.e. deisel mechanics, radiology technicians, air traffic controllers, the entire intel community, etc.
As far as "retiring" in 20 years, I would say after 20 you're not likely to ranked past E7 - now take HALF of your base pay and add NO additional pay (no BAH, nothing) and try retiring on that.
The bonuses are needed for retention, which is ironic considering we're all living the hog life according to you.
09 Jun 11
Originally posted by AThousandYoungNone of the above.....
What specifically would you, as the senior person In Charge of making these decisions, stop funding?
Strategic nuclear weapons?
Carrier battle groups?
Amphibious Attack?
F-35?
Drones?
Smart Weapons?
Computers and Communications?
EDIT - No1marauder's response in the other thread with respect to the Navy: almost everything. We don't need any ...[text shortened]... we could get by with mothballing about half our aircraft carriers. That would be a good start.
09 Jun 11
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Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperSome do give up a lot, but most don't.
Let's start by pointing out people in the military give up a great deal in terms of quality of life, personal freedoms and risk to their (our) lives on a regular basis.
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And I speak from experience, taking transfers all over the country in civilian life chasing the dream only to get screwed in the end. I've been in more dangerous situations too in civilian jobs than I ever was after serving twice in the military.
Make a buck in the civilian world putting in 70 hour weeks for peanuts with no benefits and then tell me about how the military and civilian world compare.
Plus I've been working for 40+ years and still don't have a retirement coming.
Sorry the military is the best deal going, don't tell me how awful it is for them.
A large number of military personnel have cushy low hours simple crap jobs doing very little. I've seen it first hand because I WAS THERE and was one of them, twice, between 1970 and 1982, first as Army enlisted then as an Air Force Officer, serving two tours in Vietnam/Thailand in the army plus flying missions along North Korean and Iranian borders in the air force.
Where were you?
09 Jun 11
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Originally posted by Zapp BranniganI'm speaking from experience as well. I was an "applications engineer" (no degree lol!) for fluid handling components in the semiconductor industry, as well as an inside and outside sales rep. I did very well and had a nice life in the civilian world for years.
Some do give up a lot, but most don't.
And I speak from experience, taking transfers all over the country in civilian life chasing the dream only to get screwed in the end. I've been in more dangerous situations too in civilian jobs than I ever was after serving twice in the military.
Make a buck in the civilian world putting in 70 hour weeks fo lying missions along North Korean and Iranian borders in the air force.
Where were you?
In the US Army I hear complaints over and over about how bad it "sucks" and in many ways it does. I recently reenlisted, but only out of necessity. I need to live in the local area for a couple more years (my wife is from here) and in this area there are few corporate jobs (mostly retail). Had moving back to California been an option I would have been out in a heartbeat.
" I've been in more dangerous situations too in civilian jobs than I ever was after serving twice in the military."
Strange. I've taken small arms fire, indirect fire, grenades and RPGs. If I ever received any of those in my civilian jobs my memory escapes me.
"A large number of military personnel have cushy low hours simple crap jobs doing very little."
Over 7 years US army and I have never experienced that. 0600 first call, then PT, and on normal days you're off at 1700-1800. When I was with a line unit it was that and on top of it being out in the field all the time. Lots of long weekends, though so that's a plus.
09 Jun 11
Originally posted by Zapp Branniganwifes Father was killed in nam, I'd say he gave up quite a bit. never saw the daughter he fathered....
Some do give up a lot, but most don't.
And I speak from experience, taking transfers all over the country in civilian life chasing the dream only to get screwed in the end. I've been in more dangerous situations too in civilian jobs than I ever was after serving twice in the military.
Make a buck in the civilian world putting in 70 hour weeks fo ...[text shortened]... lying missions along North Korean and Iranian borders in the air force.
Where were you?
09 Jun 11
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Originally posted by Hugh Glassand a lot of mini mart clerks have been killed while working overnight how about them?
wifes Father was killed in nam, I'd say he gave up quite a bit. never saw the daughter he fathered....
One of he most dangerous jobs in america is the graveyard shift in a convenience store but they're not called heroes
09 Jun 11
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Originally posted by Zapp BranniganI tell you, go piss up a rope you're quite a jerk. was the wifes father called a hero? Please do tell?
and a lot of mini mart clerks have been killed while working overnight how about them?
One of he most dangerous jobs in america is the graveyard shift in a convenience store but they're not called heroes
I'd say he didn't make the news at all...
09 Jun 11
Originally posted by Zapp BranniganI seriuoulsy doubt that you ever served a lick of time in the military, and are probably some lame assed kid who gets his kicks playing first shooter internet games, and has let his imagination run wild
Some do give up a lot, but most don't.
And I speak from experience, taking transfers all over the country in civilian life chasing the dream only to get screwed in the end. I've been in more dangerous situations too in civilian jobs than I ever was after serving twice in the military.
Make a buck in the civilian world putting in 70 hour weeks fo ...[text shortened]... lying missions along North Korean and Iranian borders in the air force.
Where were you?
09 Jun 11
Originally posted by Zapp BranniganWhen did you fly on the Iranian boarder ?
Some do give up a lot, but most don't.
And I speak from experience, taking transfers all over the country in civilian life chasing the dream only to get screwed in the end. I've been in more dangerous situations too in civilian jobs than I ever was after serving twice in the military.
Make a buck in the civilian world putting in 70 hour weeks fo ...[text shortened]... lying missions along North Korean and Iranian borders in the air force.
Where were you?