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  1. 03 Apr '17 23:33 / 1 edit
    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-04-03/top-obama-adviser-sought-names-of-trump-associates-in-intel

    White House lawyers last month learned that the former national security adviser Susan Rice requested the identities of U.S. persons in raw intelligence reports on dozens of occasions that connect to the Donald Trump transition and campaign, according to U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

    The pattern of Rice's requests was discovered in a National Security Council review of the government's policy on "unmasking" the identities of individuals in the U.S. who are not targets of electronic eavesdropping, but whose communications are collected incidentally. Normally those names are redacted from summaries of monitored conversations and appear in reports as something like "U.S. Person One."




    Nunes Says Trump Team Caught in U.S. Surveillance Net

    The National Security Council's senior director for intelligence, Ezra Cohen-Watnick, was conducting the review, according to two U.S. officials who spoke with Bloomberg View on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss it publicly. In February Cohen-Watnick discovered Rice's multiple requests to unmask U.S. persons in intelligence reports that related to Trump transition activities. He brought this to the attention of the White House General Counsel's office, who reviewed more of Rice's requests and instructed him to end his own research into the unmasking policy.

    The intelligence reports were summaries of monitored conversations -- primarily between foreign officials discussing the Trump transition, but also in some cases direct contact between members of the Trump team and monitored foreign officials. One U.S. official familiar with the reports said they contained valuable political information on the Trump transition such as whom the Trump team was meeting, the views of Trump associates on foreign policy matters and plans for the incoming administration.

    Rice did not respond to an email seeking comment on Monday morning. Her role in requesting the identities of Trump transition officials adds an important element to the dueling investigations surrounding the Trump White House since the president's inauguration.

    Both the House and Senate intelligence committees are probing any ties between Trump associates and a Russian influence operation against Hillary Clinton during the election. The chairman of the House intelligence committee, Representative Devin Nunes, is also investigating how the Obama White House kept tabs on the Trump transition after the election through unmasking the names of Trump associates incidentally collected in government eavesdropping of foreign officials.

    Rice herself has not spoken directly on the issue of unmasking. Last month when she was asked on the "PBS NewsHour" about reports that Trump transition officials, including Trump himself, were swept up in incidental intelligence collection, Rice said: "I know nothing about this," adding, "I was surprised to see reports from Chairman Nunes on that account today."

    Rice's requests to unmask the names of Trump transition officials do not vindicate Trump's own tweets from March 4 in which he accused Obama of illegally tapping Trump Tower. There remains no evidence to support that claim.

    But Rice's multiple requests to learn the identities of Trump officials discussed in intelligence reports during the transition period does highlight a longstanding concern for civil liberties advocates about U.S. surveillance programs. The standard for senior officials to learn the names of U.S. persons incidentally collected is that it must have some foreign intelligence value, a standard that can apply to almost anything. This suggests Rice's unmasking requests were likely within the law.

    The news about Rice also sheds light on the strange behavior of Nunes in the last two weeks. It emerged last week that he traveled to the White House last month, the night before he made an explosive allegation about Trump transition officials caught up in incidental surveillance. At the time he said he needed to go to the White House because the reports were only on a database for the executive branch. It now appears that he needed to view computer systems within the National Security Council that would include the logs of Rice's requests to unmask U.S. persons.

    The ranking Democrat on the committee Nunes chairs, Representative Adam Schiff, viewed these reports on Friday. In comments to the press over the weekend he declined to discuss the contents of these reports, but also said it was highly unusual for the reports to be shown only to Nunes and not himself and other members of the committee.

    Indeed, much about this is highly unusual: if not how the surveillance was collected, then certainly how and why it was disseminated.
  2. Standard member vivify
    rain
    04 Apr '17 00:55
    "The standard for senior officials to learn the names of U.S. persons incidentally collected is that it must have some foreign intelligence value, a standard that can apply to almost anything. This suggests Rice's unmasking requests were likely within the law."

    Rice was busted lying, but didn't do anything illegal. When it comes to discussions about investigations, she probably should've said something like "that's not something I can comment on." Would've been better than lying.
  3. 04 Apr '17 01:07
    Originally posted by vivify
    "The standard for senior officials to learn the names of U.S. persons incidentally collected is that it must have some foreign intelligence value, a standard that can apply to almost anything. This suggests Rice's unmasking requests were likely within the law."

    Rice was busted lying, but didn't do anything illegal. When it comes to discussions about inves ...[text shortened]... e said something like "that's not something I can comment on." Would've been better than lying.
    Tell it to a lawyer spanky.

    Not to worry though, the court system is stacked left.

    Why not start a thread on how Hillary never lies?
  4. Standard member vivify
    rain
    04 Apr '17 01:23 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by whodey
    Why not start a thread on how Hillary never lies?
    You're saying asking the wrong person.
  5. 04 Apr '17 01:45
    Originally posted by vivify
    You're saying asking the wrong person.
    You do realize that whoever broke the story to the press about Flynn committed a crime, right?
  6. Standard member vivify
    rain
    04 Apr '17 02:09
    Originally posted by whodey
    You do realize that whoever broke the story to the press about Flynn committed a crime, right?
    Is there a point in mentioning this?
  7. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    04 Apr '17 02:27
    Originally posted by vivify
    "The standard for senior officials to learn the names of U.S. persons incidentally collected is that it must have some foreign intelligence value, a standard that can apply to almost anything. This suggests Rice's unmasking requests were likely within the law."

    Rice was busted lying, but didn't do anything illegal. When it comes to discussions about inves ...[text shortened]... e said something like "that's not something I can comment on." Would've been better than lying.
    Did she lie? The Bloomberg article says she made requests but does not indicate that those requests were granted. It then says:

    Last month when she was asked on the "PBS NewsHour" about reports that Trump transition officials, including Trump himself, were swept up in incidental intelligence collection, Rice said: "I know nothing about this,"

    IF the requests were not granted, then her statement isn't a lie.
  8. Standard member vivify
    rain
    04 Apr '17 02:40
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Did she lie? The Bloomberg article says she made requests but does not indicate that those requests were granted. It then says:

    Last month when she was asked on the "PBS NewsHour" about reports that Trump transition officials, including Trump himself, were swept up in incidental intelligence collection, Rice said: "I know nothing about this,"

    IF the requests were not granted, then her statement isn't a lie.
    Good point.
  9. 04 Apr '17 12:53
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Did she lie? The Bloomberg article says she made requests but does not indicate that those requests were granted. It then says:

    Last month when she was asked on the "PBS NewsHour" about reports that Trump transition officials, including Trump himself, were swept up in incidental intelligence collection, Rice said: "I know nothing about this,"

    IF the requests were not granted, then her statement isn't a lie.
    Well there ya go.

    NOTHING TO SEE HERE!

    She is as innocent as Hillary.
  10. Standard member checkbaiter
    By God's Grace
    04 Apr '17 13:06
    Originally posted by whodey
    Well there ya go.

    NOTHING TO SEE HERE!

    She is as innocent as Hillary.
    Don't ya know, Democrats always have good intentions. They don't lie, just mistaken.
  11. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    04 Apr '17 13:08 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Did she lie? The Bloomberg article says she made requests but does not indicate that those requests were granted. It then says:

    Last month when she was asked on the "PBS NewsHour" about reports that Trump transition officials, including Trump himself, were swept up in incidental intelligence collection, Rice said: "I know nothing about this,"

    IF the requests were not granted, then her statement isn't a lie.
    So she requested they be unmasked (why?) and those requests were denied, but they were subsequently unmasked anyway? Riiiight.

    Are you really going to try to carry Dem water on this? The Obama admin loved to wield state power against political foes. This is no surprise.
  12. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    04 Apr '17 13:46 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    So she requested they be unmasked (why?) and those requests were denied, but they were subsequently unmasked anyway? Riiiight.

    Are you really going to try to carry Dem water on this? The Obama admin loved to wield state power against political foes. This is no surprise.
    So tell me of a politician who DIDN"T wield power to knock down enemies.

    You figure your boyfriend Trumpf is innocent of those kind of charges?
  13. 04 Apr '17 14:06
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    So she requested they be unmasked (why?) and those requests were denied, but they were subsequently unmasked anyway? Riiiight.

    Are you really going to try to carry Dem water on this? The Obama admin loved to wield state power against political foes. This is no surprise.
    Dude, he still maintains Hillary never lied.

    Let him be.
  14. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    04 Apr '17 14:26
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    So tell me of a politician who DIDN"T wield power to knock down enemies.

    You figure your boyfriend Trumpf is innocent of those kind of charges?
    Try not to make stupid and baseless assumptions about my supporting Trump. I didn't want him and I'm not carrying his water. I have made zero claims that he is innocent of anything, right?
  15. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    04 Apr '17 14:34
    Originally posted by whodey
    Tell it to a lawyer spanky.

    Not to worry though, the court system is stacked left.

    Why not start a thread on how Hillary never lies?
    You do realize she was the national security advisor, right? You know, for instance, Nixon was caught flat footed directing a team to break into that building, right? Do you know for a fact there was nothing suspected by Rice, only wanting political data on a political enemy?

    Do you have facts showing there was no indication of some kind of wrongoing on their part?