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  1. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    29 Aug '16 02:30 / 1 edit
    I'm trying to be calmer about political issues but something like this makes my blood boil. The Israelis want to demolish a Palestinian village in the West Bank because it's "illegal":

    For a quick reality check on the current stalemate in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, there’s no better place to visit than this little village of miserable huts and sheep pens in the middle of nowhere.

    The hamlet in the hills south of Hebron has become an improbable proxy in a cold war waged among Jewish settlers, the Israeli government, Western diplomats, peace activists and the 340 or so Arab herders who once inhabited caves on the site and now live in squalid tents.

    Israel’s military authority in the West Bank wants to demolish the Palestinian community, contending that the ramshackle structures made of old tires and weathered tarpaulins were built without permits and must come down.

    The Palestinian residents insist they are not squatters but heirs to the land they have farmed and grazed since the Ottoman era.

    They say Israel wants to depopulate the area of Arabs and replace them with Jews.

    “It’s ethnic cleansing,” said Nasser Nawaja, a resident of the village, who also is employed by the Israeli human rights group B’Tselem, which opposes the demolition.

    That is nonsense, said Josh Hasten, international director for the pro-settler group Regavim, which has been pushing the Israeli government “to stop kicking the proverbial can down the road” and shove these “illegal squatters” off the land.

    Hasten described Susiya as a phony village and part of a plot funded by the European Union and supported by the Palestinian Authority to assert rights that do not exist and create a “de facto Palestinian state” on land that should belong to Israel. (it's miles beyond the "Green Line" the 1948 border - no1).

    The Nawaja clan are stubborn, tough, poor shepherds who have spent the past three decades subsisting with brackish cistern water and a trickle of power from a generator. They’re not likely to leave unless forced at gunpoint.

    “If we can stop the Israelis here, we can stop them from demolishing other villages,” said Jihad Nawaja, one of the village elders.

    A final order to bulldoze the hamlet was delayed in mid-
    August when Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office asked the courts to stay a ruling on the dispute for two months — until after the U.S. presidential election — according to lawyers involved in the case on both sides.

    The Obama administration this month warned Israel that it finds the proposed eviction “very troubling.”

    In July, State Department spokesman John Kirby said that demolishing Susiya “would set a damaging standard for displacement and land confiscation, particularly given settlement-related activity in the area.”

    Far beyond the United States, Susiya stands at the center of fraying relations between Israel and Europe, which is providing life support to the village.

    The solar panels in Susiya were donated by Germany, the school by Spain, the water pumps by Ireland. Belgium, Italy, Norway and others have contributed a playground, a shipping container to use as an office, and a new bullhorn.

    Even so, it is a pitiful place, without running water or electricity from the grid, though it lies just a few hundred yards from Israeli power and water lines that serve a nearby Jewish settlement with the same name.

    Right-wing ministers in Netanyahu’s coalition government have become much more vocal in their calls to Europe to stay out of Israel’s domestic affairs.

    Apparently, that is not going to happen.

    This month, two top British diplomats visited Susiya to hear from the locals.

    Tony Kay, the deputy chief of mission at the British Embassy in Tel Aviv, made Susiya a first stop just weeks after arriving in the country.

    “The Israelis criticize the Palestinians for building without permits, but the number of permits the Palestinians are issued for Area C is practically nil,” he said.

    Area C is the 60 percent of the West Bank completely controlled by the Israeli military, which oversees both security and civilian affairs here.

    B’Tselem, citing government figures, reports that in 2014, out of 242 permit applications submitted by Palestinians for building in Area C, only one was granted. Between 2009 and 2012, a total of 1,640 applications were submitted. Only 37 — about 2.3 percent — were approved, according to the human rights group, which said that most Palestinians do not submit the paperwork unless they face “stop-work” orders.

    The Palestinians want to create a state in the Gaza Strip and here on the West Bank, which Israel occupied after winning the 1967 Arab-Israeli war. The Israeli government right now wants to formally annex Area C in the West Bank, where 200 Jewish settlements are located, saying that a two-state solution is unworkable. Most of the world considers the Jewish settlements on the West Bank to be illegal, a conclusion that the Israeli government rejects.

    James Downer, the British deputy consul general in Jerusalem, sipped coffee with the Nawaja clan.

    “I am very fond of Susiya,” he said.

    Downer joked that he had visited enough times to be made an honorary citizen.

    He promised the locals, “We will do what we can to oppose demolitions here and elsewhere.”

    Whatever it was in the past, these days Susiya has more the feeling of a protest camp than a functioning Palestinian village.

    There are no streets, shops or mosques, and no permanent homes. There do not seem to be many people, either — giving some support to Regavim’s claim that most of the residents live in the nearby Palestinian town of Yatta.

    Residents say that since the construction of a Jewish settlement nearby in 1983, their village has been leveled twice and partly demolished seven other times by Israeli bulldozers. Each time, the Palestinians returned to the hilltop and rebuilt their huts.

    Israeli Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked visited the area this month and said it was hypocritical for Europe to fight against new building in Jewish settlements in the West Bank while underwriting illegal construction in Palestinian villages.

    What everyone seems to agree on is that Susiya has become a symbol.

    The Europeans also see Israeli hypocrisy.

    As the Jewish settlements in the West Bank continue to grow, the Israeli military has ramped up demolitions of Palestinian homes, barns and sheds.

    According to the United Nations, Israel has demolished 614 unauthorized Palestinian structures in the West Bank this year.

    Israeli settlers in the West Bank see an insidious Palestinian encroachment onto lands the Jewish homesteaders believe were given to them by God.

    Yochai Damari, who heads a regional council representing Jewish settlements in the Hebron hills, called the residents of Susiya “invaders” and a “criminal tribe.”

    “The matter has been debated and it was decided to evict them, after endless petitions and foot-dragging,” he told the Israeli newspaper Haaretz.

    Regavim, the group pushing to have the Palestinians evicted, says the herders of Susiya are also squatting on land adjacent to an important archaeological site with ruins of a Jewish community and a synagogue dating to the 8th century.

    The same site also has remains of an ancient mosque, built on top of the synagogue.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/a-miserable-little-village-at-the-center-of-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict/2016/08/28/50ce6266-661f-11e6-b4d8-33e931b5a26d_story.html?postshare=3211472431778374&tid=ss_tw
  2. 29 Aug '16 11:40
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    I'm trying to be calmer about political issues but something like this makes my blood boil. The Israelis want to demolish a Palestinian village in the West Bank because it's "illegal":

    For a quick reality check on the current stalemate in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, there’s no better place to visit than this little village of miserable huts and ...[text shortened]... /2016/08/28/50ce6266-661f-11e6-b4d8-33e931b5a26d_story.html?postshare=3211472431778374&tid=ss_tw
    So let me get this straight, as ISIS rounded up Christians and Muslims who were not crazy as them for termination and children rounded up to do on crosses, this did not make your blood boil enough to make as much as one post about it?

    Duly noted shill boy.
  3. 29 Aug '16 18:51 / 1 edit
    Here is a kindergarten graduation in Palestine.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM07qFvcTE8

    This is what Israel is up against.
  4. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    29 Aug '16 19:20
    Originally posted by whodey
    So let me get this straight, as ISIS rounded up Christians and Muslims who were not crazy as them for termination and children rounded up to do on crosses, this did not make your blood boil enough to make as much as one post about it?

    Duly noted shill boy.
    There's enough posters screaming for Holy War here.

    There's few posters with even the slightest concern for what is happening to the Palestinians on the West Bank.
  5. 29 Aug '16 19:27
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    There's enough posters screaming for Holy War here.

    There's few posters with even the slightest concern for what is happening to the Palestinians on the West Bank.
    Well what do you do with a group of people who train their kindergarteners for jihad dingleberry?

    Post anti-Israel threads? Why not just race bait like you do with white law enforcement and say that all Jews are racists?
  6. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    29 Aug '16 19:38 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by whodey
    Well what do you do with a group of people who train their kindergarteners for jihad dingleberry?

    Post anti-Israel threads? Why not just race bait like you do with white law enforcement and say that all Jews are racists?
    Your hysterical lies are hardly worth responding to anymore.

    Do you think Israel's policies of demolishing Palestinian villages and homes while erecting continued Jewish settlement on the West Bank will cause the former to not want to wage war against the latter? People trying to seize your land generally invokes a violent response.
  7. 29 Aug '16 19:49
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Your hysterical lies are hardly worth responding to anymore.

    Do you think Israel's policies of demolishing Palestinian villages and homes while erecting continued Jewish settlement on the West Bank will cause the former to not want to wage war against the latter? People trying to seize your land generally invokes a violent response.
    Well then by all means, send money to their kindergarten graduation services.
  8. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    29 Aug '16 20:01
    Originally posted by whodey
    Well then by all means, send money to their kindergarten graduation services.
    Perhaps a more useful idea would be to deny Israel US funding until they take steps to secure a peace involving the creation of a Palestinian State (a real one, not the occupied "protectorate" Netanyahu is grudgingly willing to maybe accept).
  9. 29 Aug '16 21:35 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Perhaps a more useful idea would be to deny Israel US funding until they take steps to secure a peace involving the creation of a Palestinian State (a real one, not the occupied "protectorate" Netanyahu is grudgingly willing to maybe accept).
    Right, create another official terrorist state

    Brilliant!
  10. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    29 Aug '16 22:34
    More poison from the apartheid state

    http://www.thenational.ae/opinion/comment/carrot-and-stick-carve-up-will-not-work-for-israel

    The futility of this approach – blaming the official leaderships for the roiling frustration and resentment of those they formally lead – should be self-evident.


    Ordinary Palestinians, not officials, endure the endless expansion of settlements and the resulting takeover of their agricultural lands. Ordinary Palestinians, not their leaders, face daily abuses at checkpoints and in military raids. Reports at the weekend suggested soldiers were deliberately kneecapping youths at protests to permanently disable them.

    Round-ups, torture, military courts that always find the accused guilty – these are the rites of passage for Palestinians in the West Bank. For Palestinians in Gaza, it is slow starvation, homelessness and a random missile rain of death.


    An Israeli strategy that failed decades ago – before the PA even existed – is not going to succeed now. Social media campaigns and paltry handouts will not persuade Palestinians they are nothing more than a humanitarian problem.

    They are not about to shelve their dreams of liberation just because Mr Lieberman colour-codes them in red and green.
  11. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    29 Aug '16 23:18
    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/03/study-at-least-78-of-humanitarian-aid-intended-for-palestinians-ends-up-in-israeli-coffers/

    Shir Hever, an Israeli economist who has spent years piecing together the murky economics of the occupation, recently published a report that makes shocking reading.

    Like others, he believes international aid has allowed Israel to avoid footing the bill for its decades-old occuption. But he goes further.

    His astonishing conclusion – one that may surprise Israel’s settlers – is that at least 78 per cent of humanitarian aid intended for Palestinians ends up in Israel’s coffers.

    The sums involved are huge. The Palestinians under occupation are among the most aid-dependent in the world, receiving more than $2bn from the international community a year. According to Hever, donors could be directly subsidising up to a third of the occupation’s costs.

    Other forms of Israeli profiteering have been identified in previous studies.

    In 2013 the World Bank very conservatively estimated that the Palestinians lose at least $3.4bn a year in resources plundered by Israel.

    Further, Israel’s refusal to make peace with the Palestinians, and as a consequence the rest of the region, is used to justify Washington’s annual $3bn in military aid.

    Israel also uses the occupied territories as laboratories for testing weapons and surveillance systems on Palestinians – and then exports its expertise. Israel’s military and cyber industries are hugely profitable, generating many billions of dollars of income each year.
  12. 30 Aug '16 11:30
    Can anyone tell me why Isreali football teams are playing in Europe? Since when was Isreal ever in Europe?
  13. 30 Aug '16 11:46
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Can anyone tell me why Isreali football teams are playing in Europe? Since when was Isreal ever in Europe?
    To give them something to hate.

    As human beings, we all seem to need that.
  14. Standard member shavixmironline
    Guppy poo
    30 Aug '16 12:52
    Originally posted by whodey
    So let me get this straight, as ISIS rounded up Christians and Muslims who were not crazy as them for termination and children rounded up to do on crosses, this did not make your blood boil enough to make as much as one post about it?

    Duly noted shill boy.
    Oh, so you can't post on African poverty, because you never mentioned Chinese poverty?

    Really, you suck the peanuts out of faeces through a straw.