@no1marauder said" Or are you playing at copying MB's nutty anti-vaxxer views and denying that people who are vaccinated are less likely to catch COVID?"
I think you're sounding like someone who seems to have some personal animosity towards another internet poster, which is pretty childish.
The data makes it clear that it the vaccines limit transmission as well as severity. This is really just common sense; if you're less likely to be infected you're less likely to spread the disease than someone who is. Or are you play ...[text shortened]... s nutty anti-vaxxer views and denying that people who are vaccinated are less likely to catch COVID?
Stop lying! I never said covid. I said the SARS2 virus and you are using the two terms interchangeably like the lying nut that you are. You are making a fool out of yourself doubling down on lies you were told. Everybody can see you are lying. Do you feel proud?
https://www.globalresearch.ca/pfizer-shots-arent-safe-were-never-shown-to-be/5803206
@metal-brain saidThe vaccines lessen the risk of you getting the contagious disease; if you don't have the disease you can't spread it.
You still have failed to logically explain how you being vaxxed protects the unvaxxed. It doesn't. FAIL!
The vaccines also tend to reduce the severity of your symptoms if you do get the disease; less severe symptoms means a lesser chance of spreading the disease.
This is common sense backed up by countless scientific studies
@metal-brain saidIt is you saying nonsensical things like people "get" the SARS2 virus.
" Or are you playing at copying MB's nutty anti-vaxxer views and denying that people who are vaccinated are less likely to catch COVID?"
Stop lying! I never said covid. I said the SARS2 virus and you are using the two terms interchangeably like the lying nut that you are. You are making a fool out of yourself doubling down on lies you were told. Everybody can see you a ...[text shortened]... feel proud?
https://www.globalresearch.ca/pfizer-shots-arent-safe-were-never-shown-to-be/5803206
No vaccine -EVER- stopped people from being exposed to viruses or bacteria or other microscopic things that might cause diseases. No one ever claimed they did. Vaccines strengthen the natural immune system enabling the body to dispatch such invaders before they can cause diseases (ideally). Every medical professional knows this and there was no "big lie" to the contrary no matter what a hack comedian says on Rumble.
@no1marauder said"The vaccines lessen the risk of you getting the contagious disease"
The vaccines lessen the risk of you getting the contagious disease; if you don't have the disease you can't spread it.
The vaccines also tend to reduce the severity of your symptoms if you do get the disease; less severe symptoms means a lesser chance of spreading the disease.
This is common sense backed up by countless scientific studies
The disease, not the virus. The gene vaccines do not reduce the risk of you getting the virus and spreading it to others. You are spreading the SARS2 virus to the unvaccinated and vaccinated alike. The gene vaccines do not stop the spread which is the big lie. They do not even slow the spread which is another lie.
Do you know the difference between "stop the spread" and "slow the spread"? One stops it and the other slows it. The gene vaccines do not stop the spread. Those claims that it stops the spread is the big lie. What part of "stop" do you not understand?
Stop using the terms "stops" and "slows" interchangeably.
@no1marauder said"No vaccine -EVER- stopped people from being exposed to viruses or bacteria or other microscopic things that might cause diseases."
It is you saying nonsensical things like people "get" the SARS2 virus.
No vaccine -EVER- stopped people from being exposed to viruses or bacteria or other microscopic things that might cause diseases. No one ever claimed they did. Vaccines strengthen the natural immune system enabling the body to dispatch such invaders before they can cause diseases (ideally). Every me ...[text shortened]... knows this and there was no "big lie" to the contrary no matter what a hack comedian says on Rumble.
Yet your heroes claimed it did. Are you ready to admit they lied? Yes or no?
@metal-brain saidThat's a figment of your misinformed imagination.
"No vaccine -EVER- stopped people from being exposed to viruses or bacteria or other microscopic things that might cause diseases."
Yet your heroes claimed it did. Are you ready to admit they lied? Yes or no?
I double dog dare you to find a quote by any reputable public health official that says vaccines will "stop" the spread of SARS2 virus.
EDIT: Though now that I think about it, a vaccine that triggered a strong immunological response against an invading virus might well reduce the chance of that virus spreading by quickly killing it off in Person A's body so it could not reproduce fast enough to spread to Person B's body.
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@Booger
You are TRULY a world class ASSSHOLE. Take a look at the deaths now, mostly in the south, Georgia, miss, LA and the like where THOSE ASSSHOLE go, FREEDOM, right. Freedom to fukking DIE.
That is what they are doing.
Vax doesn't save you from GETTING covid, it saves you from being put on ventelators.
Another issue is in China, they are saying now there are some 50 MILLION struck with Covid and that means there will be ample opportunity for more virulent versions to mutate into and that will throw yet another monkey wrench into the works, if we get such mutants here, it may lead to yet another pandemic like we suffered the past couple years.
I fully expect the ultrarightwingnuts just to say, see that just proves they are after population control.
And Trump did NOTHING and now it turns out the reason he did nothing was it would have cost his personal account money so he could have cared less how many people died, he wanted to save his own filthy money.
Just another indication of the evil inherent in Trump.
I can't wait for the indictments to begin.
I think he is responsible for at least a third of the deaths by his inaction for near a year and then when forced to he comes up with fast track and we are supposed to bow down and genuflect while kissing his ring, thanking him profusely.
If he had done 'fast track' in February, hundreds of thousands of folks would be alive today.
It's really sad when these 'freedom loving' assswipes say China invented the virus in a lab.
One problem with that BS is the specificity of the little plunger entering our cells, we do not have the genetic licks to do that, the combinations run into the thousands of quadrillion possibilities hidden in the genes which would have to be analyzed one by one to check how close those little corona spike look like what we see in covid.
But OF COURSE that doesn't stop those absolute IDIOTS from blaming China, Yeah, it came right out of a lab invented by China. The problem with that idea is the corona virus has been around for LITERALLY thousands of years infecting mammals like bats who bite snakes and then said snakes hunted down because the Chinese like to eat snake meat. THAT is the gist of how that got started.
It for sure did NOT come from a Chinese lab and you ultrarightwingnuts out there, don't even BEGIN to take that as me loving the Chinese government or some such, those are the FACTS MAM.
But OF COURSE also that won't stop the idiot conspiracy theory set from keeping on pushing that bullshyte.
@no1marauder saidWhat would be the point, when I quote the NZhorsefacePM making miracle claims about the juice you say the NZ prime minister is 'not representative' or 'out of context'.
That's a figment of your misinformed imagination.
I double dog dare you to find a quote by any reputable public health official that says vaccines will "stop" the spread of SARS2 virus.
EDIT: Though now that I think about it, a vaccine that triggered a strong immunological response against an invading virus might well reduce the chance of that virus spreading by qu ...[text shortened]... illing it off in Person A's body so it could not reproduce fast enough to spread to Person B's body.
@no1marauder saidYou like the stats right, here's one for you, and to be fair we'll make it extremely conservative. You're about 1000% more likely to contract covid from a person that has been juiced and does have covid than you are to catch covid from a pureblood that does not have covid.
So what? The unvaccinated pose a public health threat to others. Reasonable measures to reduce that threat are perfectly legitimate; you have no "right" to spread deadly, contagious diseases to others.
As has been pointed out to you many times, innocent until proven guilty, you do not get to lock innocent people in their houses, you do not get to destroy their businesses and you do not get to destroy their careers because shaky stats and a 'maybe'.
You need to prove objective threat on an individual basis.
@wajoma saidYes moron, you're more likely to contract COVID from someone who has it than from someone who doesn't. And the unvaccinated are far more likely to get COVID than the vaccinated. Those who chose to make themselves a danger to others are subject to reasonable restrictions; we don't have to wait until someone runs over a bunch of kids before putting a traffic light next to a school.
You like the stats right, here's one for you, and to be fair we'll make it extremely conservative. You're about 1000% more likely to contract covid from a person that has been juiced and does have covid than you are to catch covid from a pureblood that does not have covid.
As has been pointed out to you many times, innocent until proven guilty, you do not get to lock inno ...[text shortened]... s because shaky stats and a 'maybe'.
You need to prove objective threat on an individual basis.
Your nutty idea that someone should be "free" to infect others with a deadly disease based on their personal whims is abhorrent to any type of rational philosophy.
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@no1marauder saidNever said that.
Your nutty idea that someone should be "free" to infect others with a deadly disease based on their personal whims is abhorrent to any type of rational philosophy.
Said you need to prove objective threat before you lock anyone up, destroy their business or career.
BTW I was replying to this
No.1:
"The unvaccinated pose a public health threat to others."
I was correcting you in a 'words of one syllable' style, without resorting to calling you a moron even though it was a moronic thing you said.
@wajoma saidI guess you don't understand what "correcting" means. You can't "correct" something that is already correct.
Never said that.
Said you need to prove objective threat before you lock anyone up, destroy their business or career.
BTW I was replying to this
No.1:
"The unvaccinated pose a public health threat to others."
I was correcting you in a 'words of one syllable' style, without resorting to calling you a moron even though it was a moronic thing you said.
The "objective threat" of this deadly, contagious disease has been proven by millions of deaths worldwide.
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@no1marauder saidI was correcting your statement, which is reposted here a 3rd time:
I guess you don't understand what "correcting" means. You can't "correct" something that is already correct.
The "objective threat" of this deadly, contagious disease has been proven by millions of deaths worldwide.
"The unvaccinated pose a public health threat to others."
Which is a lying by omission class statement on two fronts.
A/ Pure blood with no covid is not a risk.
B/ Juiced up with covid is a risk.
I can't go less than one syllable words for you.
Then you need to prove how deadly the disease is and after that you have no right stopping people who don't fall for the scare stories from interacting with each other,
@wajoma saidCOVID, like many diseases, has an incubation period of several days at least. Thus, it is impossible to know who presently has it or not. So your objection is stupid on its face; what we do know is that the unvaccinated have a higher risk of being infected and thus pose an elevated health risk to others.
I was correcting your statement, which is reposted here a 3rd time:
"The unvaccinated pose a public health threat to others."
Which is a lying by omission class statement on two fronts.
A/ Pure blood with no covid is not a risk.
B/ Juiced up with covid is a risk.
I can't go less than one syllable words for you.
Then you need to prove how deadly the disea ...[text shortened]... have no right stopping people who don't fall for the scare stories from interacting with each other,
This is so simple even you should be able to figure it out.
What the unvaccinated Karens want isn't to "interact with each other" but to interact with the general public in the same manner that they did prior to this deadly, contagious pandemic.
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@wajoma saidWajoma: You need to prove objective threat on an individual basis.
You like the stats right, here's one for you, and to be fair we'll make it extremely conservative. You're about 1000% more likely to contract covid from a person that has been juiced and does have covid than you are to catch covid from a pureblood that does not have covid.
As has been pointed out to you many times, innocent until proven guilty, you do not get to lock inno ...[text shortened]... s because shaky stats and a 'maybe'.
You need to prove objective threat on an individual basis.
By this type of "logic", society could not impose a speed limit; it would have to wait until the individual driving too fast was about to run over pedestrians or smash into another car before imposing any obligation to slow down.
Obviously this is absurd; reasonable regulations to reduce prospective danger to others caused by reckless conduct of individuals are clearly justified.