16 Apr 08
Originally posted by der schwarze Ritterwhy they won't listen to us😞
Should we call our Congressman?
An even greater problem with ethonal, is that it uses an enormous amount of water to grow corn. The midwest water tables are already dangerously low. This type of alternative bio-fuel is just not sustainable
16 Apr 08
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Originally posted by der schwarze RitterCould it possibly be because you have a gigantic lobbying effort to get US congress to pass this stupid idea?
Ethanol increases global warming, destroys forests and inflates food prices, says Michael Grunwald. So why are we subsidizing it?
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1725975,00.html
Burning food for fuel is like burning money to keep warm. It has nothing to do with combatting climate change. It's about making corn producers a tonne of cash.
I'm surprised you are against such a right wing, job-creating industry as the ethanol industry dsr.....well done.
16 Apr 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterToo many on the planet as we speak anyway. This way we can funnel useful food resources away from the starving and kill two birds with one stone.😏
Ethanol increases global warming, destroys forests and inflates food prices, says Michael Grunwald. So why are we subsidizing it?
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1725975,00.html
18 Apr 08
Originally posted by uzlessThis is the pet project of the Democrats -- Bush is an oil man.
Could it possibly be because you have a gigantic lobbying effort to get US congress to pass this stupid idea?
Burning food for fuel is like burning money to keep warm. It has nothing to do with combatting climate change. It's about making corn producers a tonne of cash.
I'm surprised you are against such a right wing, job-creating industry as the ethanol industry dsr.....well done.
18 Apr 08
Originally posted by ScheelConservation ain't going to get it -- we need to find more sources of petroleum. They're already available 45 miles off the coast of Florida and in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, but the crazy enviros don't want us to touch it. That's fine with me. When all the people in Hawaii, San Francisco and Boston have to pay $5 a gallon, I'm going to pretend I don't even hear the lamentations of their women.
Yes you should !
Bio-ethanol is such a poor excuse for not doing something meaningfull about our overconsumption of fosile fuels.
18 Apr 08
Originally posted by der schwarze Ritterthere is only so much oil in the ground, we will eventually run out...period. We need to find alternative energy sources, not more fossil fuels, something new and different.
Conservation ain't going to get it -- we need to find more sources of petroleum. They're already available 45 miles off the coast of Florida and in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, but the crazy enviros don't want us to touch it. That's fine with me. When all the people in Hawaii, San Francisco and Boston have to pay $5 a gallon, I'm going to pretend I don't even hear the lamentations of their women.
18 Apr 08
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Originally posted by der schwarze RitterUh, this is a DIRECT quote from President Bush.....you might want to rephrase your inaccuracy...although i doubt one will be forthcoming.
This is the pet project of the Democrats -- Bush is an oil man.
"We've got to be aggressive about finding alternative sources of fuel. And one such source is ethanol. Ethanol comes from corn -- and we're pretty good about growing corn here in America, we've got a lot of good corn growers. Therefore, it makes sense to promote ethanol as an alternative to foreign sources of oil. Ethanol can be mixed with gasoline to produce a clean, efficient fuel. In low concentrations, ethanol can be used in any vehicle. And with minor modifications, vehicles can run on a fuel blend that includes about 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline. Ethanol helps our farmers find a new markets and helps us replace foreign crude "
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/06/20050615-2.html
Are you saying Mr. Bush is a Democrat? Come on dude, just admit it. Ethanol production is about making farmers money. Nowhere does Bush talk about climate change. This is about money.
18 Apr 08
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Originally posted by der schwarze RitterBah!
Conservation ain't going to get it -- we need to find more sources of petroleum. They're already available 45 miles off the coast of Florida and in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, but the crazy enviros don't want us to touch it. That's fine with me. When all the people in Hawaii, San Francisco and Boston have to pay $5 a gallon, I'm going to pretend I don't even hear the lamentations of their women.
Here is the future. We don't need more oil. Just use it smarter. In less than 10 years most of us will be driving things like this..
http://www.thestar.com/sciencetech/article/410337
Here's the key info:
Fully charged, the Volt could drive about 40 miles without using any gasoline, and a small conventional engine would recharge the vehicle, extending its range and allowing it to get the equivalent of 150 miles per gallon. 0-60mph in 9 seconds. Total range with a full tank of gas..500 miles.
These are on sale in 2010 and will sell for approx 32K. Get in line.