@divegeester
"book suppository" [sic] is one your better typos.
There is a body of research into the people who fall for false narratives. There are some common features, which include: disgruntlement and a sense of entitlement denied, hence the need to find a scapegoat (the 'they're taking away my x' syndrome), and sense of failed belonging ('we're victims of this conspiracy to take away our x' ), a failure to apply rational criteria to drawing valid conclusions from sparce data. And, as you pointed out, making sense of seemingly senseless events, even if the narrative is manifestly implausible and lacking substantiated evidence.
Moreover, spreading false narratives is stock in trade of manipulating masses of people for political ends. The KGB were masters of this technique and their successor agency is no less adept at it.
-Removed-You are stuck in the past. JFK was assassinated by the CIA. They will not release the documents that say so, but people have read the documents and they say it was the CIA that killed JFK.
https://rumble.com/v21y4ze-kim-iversen-billions-more-to-ukraine-while-americans-go-hungry-and-did-the-.html
https://www.mercurynews.com/2013/08/17/5-decades-later-some-jfk-probe-files-still-sealed/
It is time for you to talk about the elephant in the room. Why is it still top secret after over a half century? Because the CIA did it and they don't want to talk about why. Have you heard the full JFK "secret society" speech?
https://www.corbettreport.com/qfc-jfksecret/
@moonbus saidIt is the corporate news media that is spreading false narratives. When someone comes along and gives you the truthful narrative you reject it because that is not what you were propagandized to believe.
@divegeester
"book suppository" [sic] is one your better typos.
There is a body of research into the people who fall for false narratives. There are some common features, which include: disgruntlement and a sense of entitlement denied, hence the need to find a scapegoat (the 'they're taking away my x' syndrome), and sense of failed belonging ('we're victims of this con ...[text shortened]... ical ends. The KGB were masters of this technique and their successor agency is no less adept at it.
For example. The corporate news media told you that the US military wanted to reduce opium poppy growing in Afganistan, but opium poppy production skyrocketed after the US invasion. When someone tells you increasing opium production was the goal that truth sounds strange to you because you were indoctrinated with a false narrative.
Funny how those Afghan opium farmers rebelled against the most powerful military force in the entire world and won, but the Taliban greatly reduced opium production when they controlled the country before the USA invaded.
Do you seriously believe that the USA could defeat the Taliban, but not the Afghan opium farmers who were defeated by the Taliban? The US invaded Afghanistan to increase opium production and the world heroin supply.
For many things there are simpler explanations than what the conspiracy theorist gives us. Much the same as with religion.
Take this corporate news media that modern day conspiracists “blame”.
From a slanted angle there is some truth in complete unbiased reporting not possible.
Yet, if every “corporate” news coverage is saying the same, the BBC, the NOS, Al Jazeera, Reuters, etc. generally backed up by scientists, professionals, etc. then suddenly the chances of it being a conspiracy are greatly diminished.
You’ll often hear conspiracy theorists refer to the corporate media as a singularity. Which, of course, it is not. They’ll tend not to include international sources.
It’s very difficult to keep things secret. If every corporate mainstream media is in on the hoax and not critical, you’re talking about hundreds of thousands of people and not 1 person squeaking.
Look at one news station: Fox.
Spreading the lie about a rigged election. Even their main presenters didn’t believe what was being said. And left a (digital) paper trail.
To blame the CIA for the murder of JFK is complete nonsense. To blame 3 people in the CIA or FBI or KKK for the murder is, considering all the facts I’ve seen about it, quite possible. But you’re talking a small group of people within whichever organisation. Not the whole organisation itself.
And then the “not releasing” the files.
Again. That’s a small group of decision makers. And it’s more than likely because of something along the lines of: “The CIA was tracing the killer and lost sight of him on the day of the assissination.” Or “The CIA discarded the possibility of a shot from the library being possible.” Or “The CIA forgot to question…” etc.
Something small which they should have done, didn’t and don’t wish to own up to yet.
If there is talk of something like they, themselves, carrying out the assissination, do you really think it would be written down in the bloody files?
Of course not!
Lesson one in complotting treason: DON’T LEAVE A PAPER TRAIL.
Pretty much goes for most things.
@shavixmir saidIf the CIA did not assassinate JFK why is it still a secret? None of the hypothetical examples you gave can justify keeping it top secret. Not for over 50 years anyway. You are going into silly territory. Top secret to avoid a mere embarrassment? For this fargin long? Get real!
For many things there are simpler explanations than what the conspiracy theorist gives us. Much the same as with religion.
Take this corporate news media that modern day conspiracists “blame”.
From a slanted angle there is some truth in complete unbiased reporting not possible.
Yet, if every “corporate” news coverage is saying the same, the BBC, the NOS, Al Jazeera, R ...[text shortened]...
Lesson one in complotting treason: DON’T LEAVE A PAPER TRAIL.
Pretty much goes for most things.
The corporate news media is not a monopoly because I can get real news from elsewhere, but arguing that Zero Hedge or the Gray Zone is getting as many viewers as the corporate news media is stupid. By your logic the 10% informed people should overcome the propagandized 90%. It doesn't work that way.
When will NBC Nightly News have Aaron Mate on to give you the other side of the story?
@metal-brain saidYour first question does not make any sense. Especially in light of my previous post.
If the CIA did not assassinate JFK why is it still a secret?
The corporate news media is not a monopoly because I can get real news from elsewhere, but arguing that Zero Hedge or the Gray Zone is getting as many viewers as the corporate news media is stupid. By your logic the 10% informed people should overcome the propagandized 90%. It doesn't work that way.
When will NBC Nightly News have Aaron Mate on to give you the other side of the story?
Your second point does not make any sense. I didn’t compare corporate news media to conspiracy ridden right-wing propaganda tanks. I’m on about the people working in the corporate media themselves.
Your third point doesn’t make sense. Many corporate media outlets, all over the world, report on many sides of an issue.
I’ve never heard of Aaron Mate, but I’ve seen BBC interviews with extreme right-wing conspiracy theorists and they make complete mince-meat out of them.
It’s more likely they refuse to be interviewed by professional jouralists and prefer to stick to their own little cliques.
What do you think Kirsty Wark or Jeremy Paxman would do with a Mike “Pillow guy” Lindell?
Even Andrew Neill blew Alex Jones out of the water, before calling him nuts.
@shavixmir said"I didn’t compare corporate news media to conspiracy ridden right-wing propaganda tanks. I’m on about the people working in the corporate media themselves."
Your first question does not make any sense. Especially in light of my previous post.
Your second point does not make any sense. I didn’t compare corporate news media to conspiracy ridden right-wing propaganda tanks. I’m on about the people working in the corporate media themselves.
Your third point doesn’t make sense. Many corporate media outlets, all over the world, ...[text shortened]... Pillow guy” Lindell?
Even Andrew Neill blew Alex Jones out of the water, before calling him nuts.
Thanks for confirming that. You obviously think the corporate news media is the only credible source in the USA. Anything else is propaganda to you, but only right wingers for some bizarre reason only you understand. Maybe because the corporate news media is afraid of debating leftists so they only have right wing weirdos on. Do you think only right wingers are dumb and easily proven wrong? Probably because they want you to think all wrong people are right wingers.
Don't you ever wonder why they will not have debates with left wingers? Because they will win the debates.
@metal-brain saidNo one invited conspiracy-theorists into this thread.
You are stuck in the past. JFK was assassinated by the CIA. They will not release the documents that say so, but people have read the documents and they say it was the CIA that killed JFK.
https://rumble.com/v21y4ze-kim-iversen-billions-more-to-ukraine-while-americans-go-hungry-and-did-the-.html
https://www.mercurynews.com/2013/08/17/5-decades-later-some-jfk-probe-f ...[text shortened]... Have you heard the full JFK "secret society" speech?
https://www.corbettreport.com/qfc-jfksecret/
@metal-brain saidFirst of all. The world is larger than the US.
"I didn’t compare corporate news media to conspiracy ridden right-wing propaganda tanks. I’m on about the people working in the corporate media themselves."
Thanks for confirming that. You obviously think the corporate news media is the only credible source in the USA. Anything else is propaganda to you, but only right wingers for some bizarre reason only you understan ...[text shortened]... you ever wonder why they will not have debates with left wingers? Because they will win the debates.
I would take CNN over Fox news anyday, however. And CNN gets on my mammary protruberances.
I do read non “main stream” media as you put it. For example: socialistworker.co.uk
And take into account it’s slant.
Tha BBC is excellent. But if you want the lowdown on British politics, it’s not the place to be. Much better to read the link I just provided or Private Eye, even.
Or look into John Pilger’s reports.
The difference being that it is journalism and not right-wing conspiracy claptrap.
Think international. If your own media contradicts itself, look to see what they’re saying in the rest of the world.
@shavixmir said"I would take CNN over Fox news anyday, however. And CNN gets on my mammary protruberances"
First of all. The world is larger than the US.
I would take CNN over Fox news anyday, however. And CNN gets on my mammary protruberances.
I do read non “main stream” media as you put it. For example: socialistworker.co.uk
And take into account it’s slant.
Tha BBC is excellent. But if you want the lowdown on British politics, it’s not the place to be. Much better to ...[text shortened]... nal. If your own media contradicts itself, look to see what they’re saying in the rest of the world.
Why would you take either one? They both lie and I can easily prove that. Joe Rogan should sue CNN for lying about him.
The BBC lies too and they are government funded. Or more accurately the UK government forces people to pay for the BBC. The BBC is government owned media
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/you-just-lied-elon-crushes-bbc-reporters-claims-about-hate-speech-twitter
@metal-brain said"I can prove that."
"I would take CNN over Fox news anyday, however. And CNN gets on my mammary protruberances"
Why would you take either one? They both lie and I can easily prove that. Joe Rogan should sue CNN for lying about him.
You have never proven anything you say to be true.