The connection between MAGA and the Old South

The Old South was in fact a totalitarian dictatorship as anyone could be conscripted into the militias for just about any purpose, including to use tax money to help a private owner recover escaped slaves. That is why every white man was expected to have a gun. That is how the proto-confederacy viewed the Second Amendment. MAGA is not about economic policy or politics even. It is not about conservatism in the Burkean sense of the word. It is about cultural identity. The article underscores the case.

https://newrepublic.com/article/182890/juneteenth-maga-old-south

@Kunsoo said
The Old South was in fact a totalitarian dictatorship as anyone could be conscripted into the militias for just about any purpose, including to use tax money to help a private owner recover escaped slaves. That is why every white man was expected to have a gun. That is how the proto-confederacy viewed the Second Amendment. MAGA is not about economic policy or politics even. ...[text shortened]... article underscores the case.

https://newrepublic.com/article/182890/juneteenth-maga-old-south

@Mott-The-Hoople

Yes, the north had conscription. But it was nothing like the proto-confederacy.

Have you ever read about what happened to all of the the abolitionist offices and newsletters in the south? Burned, bombed, beaten - all of them shut down either by authorities or mobs - every. single. one.

And in the north you were drafted into a military that was run by government and operating under constitutional republic rules and not to serve private interests such as slave-catching for rich people.

If the south had North Korea's technology and means of organizing, it would have been as bad - or worse.

There’s me thinking the connection must be inbreeding…

@Kunsoo said
@Mott-The-Hoople

Yes, the north had conscription. But it was nothing like the proto-confederacy.

Have you ever read about what happened to all of the the abolitionist offices and newsletters in the south? Burned, bombed, beaten - all of them shut down either by authorities or mobs - every. single. one.

And in the north you were drafted into a military that was ...[text shortened]... he south had North Korea's technology and means of organizing, it would have been as bad - or worse.

@Mott-The-Hoople

That whole "they were democrats" line is a bit old. It was two centuries ago. What does the party then have to do with the party today when all of their descendants now vote Republican?

You do know that the Republican Party was founded by left wing abolitionists and socialists? Even some communists. Google "1848ers" and "Republican Party" if you don't believe me. Or "communists appointed by Lincoln."

Did you know that Karl Marx endorsed Lincoln and that Lincoln expressed gratitude for that endorsement? Did you know that the proto-confederate leaders accused the abolitionist movement of being laced with communists? And in fact, there were communists and socialists all through the abolitionist movement and the Underground Railroad. The abolitionist movements evolved into left wing organizations once slavery ended. 1st wave feminism was born out of the Seneca Falls Abolitionist Conference.

@shavixmir

There is that.

@Mott-The-Hoople

Moreover, can you cite one single left wing position, modern or 19th century, the Confederacy took? Were they pro-feminist? Socialist? Pro-union? Pro-modernist? Pro-LBGTQ? Pro-gun control? Anti-war? Pro-immigration (other than slaves)?

You know what they did support? The Second Amendment to support their slave-catching militias. Federalism, the Senate structure, and the electoral college to protect slavery from Congress. Traditional "family values" as defined by modern conservatism. Property rights (including certain people as "property"😉. Laws against homosexuality and what they considered to be sexual immorality (whether or not they practiced what they preached). Cultural homogeneity. Censorship of books, particularly when it came to children. Bible in the schools. Authoritarianism much along Trumpian lines. Limits on voting rights. Heavy criminal penalties. Rejection of "urban values." Nationalism.

I personally would have voted Republican, or third party, right up until the New Deal - which is when black voters switched parties (after a Republican President helped to crash the economy three years prior by failing to recognize the need for banking regulation in a globalizing economy as capitalism grew more volatile - among other things).

And if the Confederacy is the Democrats' legacy, why is it always Republicans trying to save the trophies-for-participation Confederate statues? Why is it always Republicans who want to continue to maintain the Dixie flags over their southern capitols? Why do 90 percent of southern black voters vote Democratic while 90 percent of whites vote Republican?

@Kunsoo said
@Mott-The-Hoople

That whole "they were democrats" line is a bit old. It was two centuries ago. What does the party then have to do with the party today when all of their descendants now vote Republican?

You do know that the Republican Party was founded by left wing abolitionists and socialists? Even some communists. Google "1848ers" and "Republican Party" if you don' ...[text shortened]... ons once slavery ended. 1st wave feminism was born out of the Seneca Falls Abolitionist Conference.

@Mott-The-Hoople

I don't know about what "Democrats" do. I do know what right wingers do and have done. What party you're a member of is of little consequence.

@Mott-The-Hoople said
yes the kkk burned and terrorized folks back then, they were the violent arm of democrats, much like antifa is democrats violent arm now.

republicans put an end to the kkk and slavery and will soon put an end to this democrat/soros violence.

@Kunsoo said
@Mott-The-Hoople

That whole "they were democrats" line is a bit old. It was two centuries ago. What does the party then have to do with the party today when all of their descendants now vote Republican?

You do know that the Republican Party was founded by left wing abolitionists and socialists? Even some communists. Google "1848ers" and "Republican Party" if you don' ...[text shortened]... ons once slavery ended. 1st wave feminism was born out of the Seneca Falls Abolitionist Conference.

@Mott-The-Hoople said
democrats accusing others of what they do is what’s getting old.
no use c&p’ing your left wing blogs here.

@Kunsoo said
@Mott-The-Hoople

Moreover, can you cite one single left wing position, modern or 19th century, the Confederacy took? Were they pro-feminist? Socialist? Pro-union? Pro-modernist? Pro-LBGTQ? Pro-gun control? Anti-war? Pro-immigration (other than slaves)?

You know what they did support? The Second Amendment to support their slave-catching militias. Federalism, t ...[text shortened]... y do 90 percent of southern black voters vote Democratic while 90 percent of whites vote Republican?

@Suzianne

In the 19th century, the Republicans were the more liberal party. I think it began to change right around when William Jennings Bryan was making a populist appeal to unions and the like. Even still, the founder of Progressive Magazine (Robert LaFollette, often referred to as "the father of modern liberalism"😉 was alternately a Republicans and a Progressive Party member, and probably the most liberal President before FDR was his namesake Republican (later Progressive Party) cousin.

The parties then had little to do with the parties now.