The covid mistakes

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Pure bloods (in HP) were arrogant racists who followed an evil tyrant. 😆

So I guess you are correct.

@AverageJoe1 said
Sorry, reading fast these days.
Why y’all keep writing about eras of yesterday. I LOVE writing about today. Trump had an affair, got in trouble with the law, ,,,,now, here we are. Let’s rock. What is the sign to watch for that all is going to hell? Sonhouse is like Paul Revere!

The thread is about lessons learned.

Trump Feb 28 in public - "it's going to disappear... Like a miracle."

Trump mar 17 in private recording - "I've always known this was a real pandemic, long before it was called a pandemic."

sh76 and Republicans want to blame Fauci and science for mistakes made when the real blame lies on feckless cowardly leadership.

@my-king-and-i removed their quoted post

I agree with your points and didn’t take it either. I never had a problem with COVID, the rest of the family have had all the shots and still get it constantly. My oldest son just had it last week and mother and brother recently??? I also feel it was overly politicized and not enough research.

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I’m sorry to hear that and hope things improve for her I’m sure it’s worrying.

@wildgrass said
The thread is about lessons learned.

Trump Feb 28 in public - "it's going to disappear... Like a miracle."

Trump mar 17 in private recording - "I've always known this was a real pandemic, long before it was called a pandemic."

sh76 and Republicans want to blame Fauci and science for mistakes made when the real blame lies on feckless cowardly leadership.

I want to blame him for keeping schools and other businesses closed down for too long with no clear reason to believe it would help and for actively working to secretly squelch dissent by unethical means. I don't blame him for deaths.

I'm not one of these people who think Fauci is a criminal and I don't want any steps taken against him. But I do think his arrogance clouded his judgment.

@sh76 said
I want to blame him for keeping schools and other businesses closed down for too long with no clear reason to believe it would help and for actively working to secretly squelch dissent by unethical means. I don't blame him for deaths.

I'm not one of these people who think Fauci is a criminal and I don't want any steps taken against him. But I do think his arrogance clouded his judgment.

Umm blame him for deaths? What? Why would anyone even suggest that?

Lets say for kicks that we did a rewind and you wanted to follow the advice of these authors. You wanted to balance the scientific advice provided by Fauci with other considerations of societal values and the tradeoffs that all decision makers have to make. Open the schools so learning can commence and parents can go back to work.

Would you put all the decision making power in Fauci's hands? Fauci the career epidemiologist came to congressional hearings holding scientific literature - receipts - showing the mitigation efforts were working. This was his job.

Was it his job to provide balance? To discuss and weigh the science against the benefits of in person education? To do an economic analysis of various lockdown scenarios? He's a scientist and an elementary teacher and an economist? Why would Congress or trump expect him to do that?

If a competent leadership team were interested in what these authors say is important - balance - they (and you) would not blame Fauci for anything. They would have blamed the trump administration for blind obedience to one person's opinion.

Trumps team successfully manipulated the media into thinking all of the blame was Fauci's to bear. They didnt want to be blamed for any potential political fallout.

@AverageJoe1 said
Let’s set the wonderful 50 days aside and talk about Biden and Covid, faucet and Covid, billions and Covid, Covid money to the Kennedy Center, and old incompetent named Biden. And Jan 6. About his discovered phony staged settings making you think he was somewhere where he wasn’t . Amazing. His phony administration, his AutoPen signing. In effect, the signer was an unknow ...[text shortened]... se. We will not be duped. Nothing trump does makes sense. He knows nothing of tariffs. He’ll blink!

Trump was president over basically the entire time period of school lockdowns in question, so Biden is not really relevant.

Schools should have opened in fall 2020. Trump's feckless national leadership is the primary reason why that did not happen. Because he was in an election, he didn't want any questioning of his decisions so the campaign put a lot of effort into blaming Fauci for everything. This made it all worse.

@sh76 said
I want to blame him for keeping schools and other businesses closed down for too long with no clear reason to believe it would help and for actively working to secretly squelch dissent by unethical means. I don't blame him for deaths.

I'm not one of these people who think Fauci is a criminal and I don't want any steps taken against him. But I do think his arrogance clouded his judgment.

It is worth pointing out that the head of NIAID can make scientific recommendations but has no authority to shut anything down. Fauci never shut down a single school or a single factory. 😆

I think what annoys you is that the people who DID shut things down did not do a risk-benefit analysis taking economic impacts into account.

Health economists at the behest of political leaders should have done that. But no reason to blame Fauci for their failure. 😆

@wildgrass said
Trump was president over basically the entire time period of school lockdowns in question, so Biden is not really relevant.

Schools should have opened in fall 2020. Trump's feckless national leadership is the primary reason why that did not happen. Because he was in an election, he didn't want any questioning of his decisions so the campaign put a lot of effort into blaming Fauci for everything. This made it all worse.

The main thing I heard squelched scientifically was ivermectin - rightly so. That had virtually NO scientific rationale or evidence, and it was up to scientists to point it out, lest the public be mislead by crackpots. 😆

@spruce112358 said
It is worth pointing out that the head of NIAID can make scientific recommendations but has no authority to shut anything down. Fauci never shut down a single school or a single factory. 😆

I think what annoys you is that the people who DID shut things down did not do a risk-benefit analysis taking economic impacts into account.

Health economists at the behest of political leaders should have done that. But no reason to blame Fauci for their failure. 😆

I agree with your first 2.5 paragraphs.

But the people who did shut things down took their cue from Fauci's recommendations and his assertions as to what "The Science"® demanded.

To that extent, he shares the responsibility.

@sh76 said
I agree with your first 2.5 paragraphs.

But the people who did shut things down took their cue from Fauci's recommendations and his assertions as to what "The Science"® demanded.

To that extent, he shares the responsibility.

A sad state in which we blame "the science" for shutting things down instead of blaming "the people who shut things down".

Nothing Fauci could have done would fix the problem, because the science was objective - it was what it was. What could have fixed the problem? World experts in epidemiology, social science, education, engineering and economics get together and formulate clear guidelines for local school districts to use. Distributed nationwide by the white House, subject to modification based on changing conditions.