Originally posted by ZahlanziYes, that was 1 of the many reasons. See Public Law 107-243. There you will see that the Congo does not meet the conditions Iraq did.
one of the arguments bush used to invade irak is that the mighty americans are liberating the poor oppressed iraqis from the iron fist of the madman hussein. well, people are suffering under the iron fist of other madmen, why not liberate them as well?
of course, there is a big difference: the other people don't have oil to donate to their liberators
Besides, America has already followed Phrance into a debacle, we're not about to do it again.
is the presence of oil as a natural resource one of them?(🙂 sorry couldn't help myself)
there are countries in Africa where the guys in charge kill the opposition by the the thousands, including women and children. and when the other guys get the power they do the same. why is iraq's situation worse?
Originally posted by GolubAll I had to do was see the title of your thread and I thought to myself: Here is another one of those childish, petulant, anti-American screeds. Face it, your life would probably be in the toilet if it weren't for American generosity and/or military aid, you worthless, spineless, ungrateful wretch. Americans like me (and that's at least 50 percent of us) are fed up with your complaining, your lies and your revisionism. Go jump in the lake if you don't like it.
I was watching a documentary not long ago about the trial of Slobodan Milosevic. Quite much everyone seemed to think he was guilty (which he probably was). It is somehow funny how the western world so easily agrees that Hitler was evil, Milosevic was evil, Hussein was evil.. judge them, put them on trial, execute them if you can... but then when it comes to so ...[text shortened]... e do not judge whenever it does not benefit ourselves? It seems to me justice does not matter.
Originally posted by der schwarze Ritterdo the things you did in WWII gives you the right to Vietnam? is the killing of the native americans and slavery(yes, again with those arguments) justified by walking on the moon?does discovering the cure to cancer give you the right to let's say... a quarter of a planet?
All I had to do was see the title of your thread and I thought to myself: Here is another one of those childish, petulant, anti-American screeds. Face it, your life would probably be in the toilet if it weren't for American generosity and/or military aid, you worthless, spineless, ungrateful wretch. Americans like me (and that's at least 50 perce ...[text shortened]... h your complaining, your lies and your revisionism. Go jump in the lake if you don't like it.
get over yourself you arrogant, idiotic american, you are just a human being(in your case, this is open for debate) and thus no better than anyone else. you rise above the others by your actions, not by those of your grandfathers and certainly not by the place of your birth.
and just for the record, bush's approval rate is about 30%, that is slightly less than 50%
Originally posted by ZahlanziOK what does WWII have to do with Vietnam? Slavery was ended before we walked on the moon!🙄 And as far as I know there is not a proven cure for cancer.🙄 Is this just more blah blah blah blah blah
do the things you did in WWII gives you the right to Vietnam? is the killing of the native americans and slavery(yes, again with those arguments) justified by walking on the moon?does discovering the cure to cancer give you the right to let's say... a quarter of a planet?
get over yourself you arrogant, idiotic american, you are just a human being(in you ...[text shortened]...
and just for the record, bush's approval rate is about 30%, that is slightly less than 50%
Originally posted by ZahlanziVietnam is far better off today than when Ho Chi Minh called the shots.
do the things you did in WWII gives you the right to Vietnam? is the killing of the native americans and slavery(yes, again with those arguments) justified by walking on the moon?does discovering the cure to cancer give you the right to let's say... a quarter of a planet?
get over yourself you arrogant, idiotic american, you are just a human being(in you ...[text shortened]...
and just for the record, bush's approval rate is about 30%, that is slightly less than 50%
What befell native Americans and slavery is a sad part of history, but once again, are they better off now? America today is far more equitable, multi-cultural and even-handed than any other country on Earth. No one is beating down any doors to immigrate to Cuba, Sierra Leone or North Korea, but all the world's poor, from every corner of the globe can't wait to get here.
There's a cure for cancer? Knock me over with a feather!
That's right, I'm an American, the most decent, wealthiest, generous, God-fearing people on the planet and the last best hope for this ball of slime.
Although the 50 percent I spoke of did vote for Bush, I was speaking more about the 50 percent of Americans who work for a living and don't expect the government to provide for our every want and need, no matter how insignificant or trifling.
Maybe you need to look through the other side of the lens once and consider how offensive it is for Americans to come onto this site and hear all of you lazy, scheming, resentful Europeans and Third Worlders kvetch about big, bad America. Bugger off if you don't like or you can expect more responses like mine.
Originally posted by ZahlanziYes. Iraq does have oil. Without that income stream, that region could not be as effective at funding and exporting terror. That is the major difference. Again, it's the exporting of terror in the region that matters. Iraq didn't do diddly in the realm of exporting terror but, the reform in the region has to start somewhere, and the U.S. can't do it from home. A reliable Arab partner in the region is necessary to accomplish anything. It's not that Saddam was a "worse" despot than another despot, (though he was about as bad as it gets) it's about strategic interest. In this case, reigning in terrorism. Something that will likely take a couple of generations. In a nutshell, that's why Iraq is more important.
is the presence of oil as a natural resource one of them?(🙂 sorry couldn't help myself)
there are countries in Africa where the guys in charge kill the opposition by the the thousands, including women and children. and when the other guys get the power they do the same. why is iraq's situation worse?
We're not the worlds' cop. That's why we don't run around stopping despots just because they're despots. A strategic interest should exist also.
Originally posted by der schwarze Ritteri was wondering, where do you shop for hats? do you find any to fit your head? or where do you keep your ego? do you have a special oil tanker somewhere in alaska?
Vietnam is far better off today than when Ho Chi Minh called the shots.
What befell native Americans and slavery is a sad part of history, but once again, are they better off now? America today is far more equitable, multi-cultural and even-handed than any other country on Earth. No one is beating down any doors to immigrate to Cuba, Sierra Leon ...[text shortened]... ig, bad America. Bugger off if you don't like or you can expect more responses like mine.
50%? are you referring to the "50%" from the 2000 elections? are you reffering to 50% of all americans or 50% of the 10% that actually showed up at the voting booths. do these 50% include the people who were denied the right to vote because they were likely to vote against bush(like michael moore said, you can usually tell them by the color of their skin)
"Vietnam is far better off today than when Ho Chi Minh called the shots." maybe if Hitler would have won the WWII, the germans would have said 50 years later the same thing in response to why so many jews were killed in the making of the third Reich.
and amerika is not the only door immigrants are beating at. canada is one too(too bad the winters are so freakin harsh), france, sweeden, norway, uk, etc. Of course, when home is Cuba, you would rather swim to amerika and risk working as slave labour than remain under castro. but if canada and amerika were switched geographicaly, i doubt pablo would swim and then hike through canada to get to wonderful amerika.
and for the last time, i don't hate the US, i hate rednecks like you who think they are representatives of the US. America is one of the best countries in the world, it's people like you and bush who ruin it.
Originally posted by Merkwell said merk, at least you're honest and i salute you. if only bush would be so honest. i can understand intervention to take away economic resources from an enemy of a state. it is still not very nice, but sometimes you do have to crack a few eggs to make an omlet. however this still doesn't justify the fact that america is still not starting to gradually withdraw troops from irak but worse still it is planning to bring more.
Yes. Iraq does have oil. Without that income stream, that region could not be as effective at funding and exporting terror. That is the major difference. Again, it's the exporting of terror in the region that matters. Iraq didn't do diddly in the realm of exporting terror but, the reform in the region has to start somewhere, and the U.S. can't do it from home. ...[text shortened]... pping despots just because they're despots. A strategic interest should exist also.
Originally posted by sonhousewe are not discussing whether or not there are worse countries out there, of course there is. but amerika is not allowed minor screwups or better said, we treat the us far worse when it makes a mistake. why? because we look to the us to set an example. we have done it ever since it was the first country to put some weird things like freedom and the right to happiness in their constitution. we have done it when when the nazis were having fun in europe. we all cheered and thought nothing but nice things about the americans when Neil walked on the moon.
With one tiny correction: Yes it was bad there but the press found out and the situation was out in the open. I don't think any more torture is going on now. Think that would have ever happened in Nazi Germany or Milosovichland?
when an average guy is caught in a bar smoking and drinking, nobody notices. but if Santa Claus or Ghandi or Mother Teresa would have done it we would be much more disappointed.
Originally posted by ZahlanziI am afraid those days are long gone. We have elected that bushwhacker twice and I would not be suprised if another republican buys off enough people to win again. With people like that in office, the moral standing of the US goes down the tube. It's a sad century for america.
we are not discussing whether or not there are worse countries out there, of course there is. but amerika is not allowed minor screwups or better said, we treat the us far worse when it makes a mistake. why? because we look to the us to set an example. we have done it ever since it was the first country to put some weird things like freedom and the right to ...[text shortened]... if Santa Claus or Ghandi or Mother Teresa would have done it we would be much more disappointed.
Originally posted by ZahlanziI fear your standards for the US are much too high. Also the comparisons with Bush/Hitler or any other dictator/madman are far fetched. I'm no fan of Bush or anyone in his administration, but they're not evil. They may be greedy, self centered, manipulating, controlling, egotisitcal, holier-than-thou neocons, but they're not evil.
we are not discussing whether or not there are worse countries out there, of course there is. but amerika is not allowed minor screwups or better said, we treat the us far worse when it makes a mistake. why? because we look to the us to set an example. we have done it ever since it was the first country to put some weird things like freedom and the right to ...[text shortened]... if Santa Claus or Ghandi or Mother Teresa would have done it we would be much more disappointed.
Bush is no better or worse than most American politicians. You should spend some time studying former President Nixon if you want to see a truly paranoid nutjob.