"Israel, the U.S. and other Western countries have demanded that Hamas renounce violence, recognize Israel and accept existing peace deals as conditions for lifting the sanctions."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061113/ap_on_re_mi_ea/palestinians_unity_government_4
1) What other country in the world has "renounced" violence? Bhutan maybe? All other countries use violence without hesitation to protect themselves -- Israel for example. So why should Palestinians make this sort of statement?
2) "Recognize" Israel meaning what? Many countries choose not to recognize one another for one reason or another. How about "ignore" Israel which might be more to the point. Although any country with a powerful military, nuclear weapons, and a highly developed sense of paranoia is admittedly hard to ignore. Still, the Palestinians could try.
3) "Accept existing peace deals." Here's one: land for peace. Are the Israelis ready to accept it? If both sides are ready to accept, why is there no progress?
There is a puzzling lack of rationality on the last point. The Israelis keep a stranglehold on the territories, provoking unrest and ensuring that they remain in a constant state of tension which leads directly to regular bursts of outrage. And then they say, "until all attacks cease, we will not relinquish control."
Discuss.
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterYour idea is more stupid. Israel's tried attacking and occupying it's neighbor's lands and it's been a bloody fiasco every time they've done so. It's time for Israel to get out of the West Bank so the Palestinians can have the state they deserve.
That would be stupid, wouldn't it? The idea is to discourage future attacks on Israel.
Originally posted by no1marauderAs much it takes to survive on. If that solution in 1947 is what Israel agreed to then more than at much as that. My commit was to keep giving land for peace. If they do that then they will have no land left.
The two State solution adopted at Oslo implies that Israel will receive 76% of the land area of 1947 Palestine. How much more of it does a few million people need?
Originally posted by spruce112358Israel has a national paranoia, which the US taps into easily enough.
"Israel, the U.S. and other Western countries have demanded that Hamas renounce violence, recognize Israel and accept existing peace deals as conditions for lifting the sanctions."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061113/ap_on_re_mi_ea/palestinians_unity_government_4
1) What other country in the world has "renounced" violence? Bhutan maybe? All other ...[text shortened]... en they say, "until all attacks cease, we will not relinquish control."
Discuss.
And although many an Israeli thinks they're fighting for freedom, they're actually dehumanizing the Palestinians and being shoved forward like a pawn in the US's imperialistic aims.
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Originally posted by shavixmirAs an American, the one thing I can honestly say that no other American has ever spoken to me about is "our imperialistic aims".
Israel has a national paranoia, which the US taps into easily enough.
And although many an Israeli thinks they're fighting for freedom, they're actually dehumanizing the Palestinians and being shoved forward like a pawn in the US's imperialistic aims.
Would any other American on this site who knows what those are please enlighten me?
I must have missed the memo.
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Actually, I think you have it the wrong way 'round. The US is far more likely to do Israel's bidding.
Originally posted by mhoffmanThe Israelis haven't been giving up land. The took Sinai and gave it back in exchange for peace with Egypt.
As much it takes to survive on. If that solution in 1947 is what Israel agreed to then more than at much as that. My commit was to keep giving land for peace. If they do that then they will have no land left.
But they do not allow Palestinians to govern themselves without interference. So the Palestinians have never been able to form a government. With no strong government, guerillas run wild. Because guerillas run wild, Israel says that the Palestinians cannot govern themselves. And so the cycle goes on endlessly.
ONLY Israel can break this cycle.
Originally posted by spruce112358That's nonsense. What geopolitical reason can you think for why the US should do Israel's bidding?
As an American, the one thing I can honestly say that no other American has ever spoken to me about is "our imperialistic aims".
Would any other American on this site who knows what those are please enlighten me?
I must have missed the memo.
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Actually, I think you have it the wrong way 'round. The US is far more likely to do Israel's bidding.
It depends what you mean by "imperialism aims." The US is clearly interested in maintaining its geopolitical hegemony. This means retaining its military superiority and privileged access to sources of energy. US foreign policy will never do anything, or concentrate on any goal, that is not generally in line with these objectives, or that at least seems to be.
Originally posted by Pawnokeyhole"What geopolitical reason can you think for why the US should do Israel's bidding?"
That's nonsense. What geopolitical reason can you think for why the US should do Israel's bidding?
It depends what you mean by "imperialism aims." The US is clearly interested in maintaining its geopolitical hegemony. This means retaining its military superiority and privileged access to sources of energy. US foreign policy will never do anything, or ...[text shortened]... any goal, that is not generally in line with these objectives, or that at least seems to be.
Because America is run by Jews?
Originally posted by PawnokeyholeThe reason is the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) which is a powerful lobby on Capitol Hill. American poiliticians who vote against Israel are targeted for opposition by large campaign contributions to their opponents. Since the issue is, at best, minor to most American voters -- most politicians leave it alone and vote with the herd. The effect is that the US unswervingly supports Israel (even though they have no oil; see below).
That's nonsense. What geopolitical reason can you think for why the US should do Israel's bidding?
It depends what you mean by "imperialism aims." The US is clearly interested in maintaining its geopolitical hegemony. This means retaining its military superiority and privileged access to sources of energy. US foreign policy will never do anything, or ...[text shortened]... any goal, that is not generally in line with these objectives, or that at least seems to be.
Again, no American has ever said to me, "Brother, it is time to reinforce the geopolitical hegemony. What are we going to do about it?" A whole lot of people in the US completely ignore what is going on outside the borders except for an occasional "World's Funniest Video".
About oil -- ya, we like to buy a lot of oil. Go drill a hole.
About military superiority. Well, we built that to kick the Russians' butt and then they go and give up without a fight! Talk about cheating...
@&#^$. So now we have overwhelming military superiority and nothing to fight. I HATE it when that happens...!
Originally posted by howardgeeWhat utter nonsense.
"What geopolitical reason can you think for why the US should do Israel's bidding?"
Because America is run by Jews?
Christians give more money to the Republicans and the democrats than jews do.
The imperialistic aim is to control oil, obviously.
And you have heard of it. Sometimes it's referred to as "Regime change". Other times it's financing dodgy dictators (Saddam and Musharev for example).
The US is now what England, Holland, France, Spain, Portugal and Belgium were 100 years ago.