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Originally posted by wedgehead2I feel that it makes an interesting point, the soviet union was never democratic, no one was accountable; in some ways the EU is somewhat similar.
don't you have any opinion?
I think the EU needs more reform, so those in power are accountable for their actions, I also don't like the idea of suppressing national identity either.
Hmm, reform, that is what we need.
04 Feb 07
Originally posted by Bad wolfYes lets go back to the good old nationalistic days. All those centuries of people trying to show the rest of europe how good their nation was. Mussolini, Hitler, Napolean, the kaiser..........
I feel that it makes an interesting point, the soviet union was never democratic, no one was accountable; in some ways the EU is somewhat similar.
I think the EU needs more reform, so those in power are accountable for their actions, I also don't like the idea of suppressing national identity either.
Hmm, reform, that is what we need.
Europe like the USSR?????
Sure the EU must be more democratically accountable but your point sucks.
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Originally posted by petrosianpupilWhat do you think my point is?
Yes lets go back to the good old nationalistic days. All those centuries of people trying to show the rest of europe how good their nation was. Mussolini, Hitler, Napolean, the kaiser..........
Europe like the USSR?????
Sure the EU must be more democratically accountable but your point sucks.
04 Feb 07
Originally posted by Bad wolfAs you state! You liken the EU to USSR and think that the lessening of nationalism is actually a main problem!
What do you think my point is?
The problem is that the EU is very different from the USSR in style and substance and idealogy. Naturally there will be many similarities as they are both huge widespread culturally diverse bodies.
It is obvious to everyone that it is a gravy train to beaurocrats. By sensationally tying it to Russia you are evoking the wrong sentiments.
There are many huge benefits to the EU and these are ignored.
Compare the economic collapse in the USSR to the economic growth of the EU. Peace in Europe and the development of cultural and trade links.
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Originally posted by petrosianpupilAs you state! You liken the EU to USSR and think that the lessening of nationalism is actually a main problem!
As you state! You liken the EU to USSR and think that the lessening of nationalism is actually a main problem!
The problem is that the EU is very different from the USSR in style and substance and idealogy. Naturally there will be many similarities as they are both huge widespread culturally diverse bodies.
It is obvious to everyone that it i ...[text shortened]... the economic growth of the EU. Peace in Europe and the development of cultural and trade links.
- Well, I am not sure I should have put that nationalism part in, sort of misleading to what I actually meant to say.
I was using the comparison of the USSR to the EU to try and show some of the problems may/are happening unless we are careful.
The national identity bit sort of coming from the way taxes/laws will develop.
The problem is that the EU is very different from the USSR in style and substance and idealogy. Naturally there will be many similarities as they are both huge widespread culturally diverse bodies.
- True, but I'm saying we should recognise that those similarities may cause some problems.
It is obvious to everyone that it is a gravy train to beaurocrats. By sensationally tying it to Russia you are evoking the wrong sentiments.
- The clip did that, not me.
There are many huge benefits to the EU and these are ignored.
Compare the economic collapse in the USSR to the economic growth of the EU. Peace in Europe and the development of cultural and trade links.
- This may surprise you: I'm pro europe. I recognise those things and think they are great encentives to have the EU.
But I want reform.
04 Feb 07
Originally posted by Bad wolfDarn it I hate it when you make sense!
[b]As you state! You liken the EU to USSR and think that the lessening of nationalism is actually a main problem!
- Well, I am not sure I should have put that nationalism part in, sort of misleading to what I actually meant to say.
I was using the comparison of the USSR to the EU to try and show some of the problems may/are happening unless we are car ...[text shortened]... recognise those things and think they are great encentives to have the EU.
But I want reform.[/b]
I was just thinking of another rant!
In that case I do agree. Not just with that particular analogy to Russia but beurocracy was one of the main causes of the fall of the Roman empire. It too expanded and collapsed partly because it stopped expanding.
05 Feb 07
Originally posted by Merkthey require nations to ban the death penalty before joining. isn't that brutalisation?
The Soviets had a history of brutalising their own people. There is no danger of the EU doing this. Europe hasn't really done that. Except for Jews, and I doubt Europe really sees Jews as Europeans.