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  1. Standard membersh76
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    30 Sep '16 16:181 edit
    I'm not going to say this made me cry - that virtually never happens from just reading an article, but it made me sad and angry.

    http://www.vox.com/first-person/2016/9/29/12941348/homeless-over-50-statistic

    Come on Americans (and citizens of anywhere else where this exists). Who are we? Can't we put an end to this sort of thing? Can't we get out act together and use our enormous resources to give all people basic necessities? I'll pay a few extra bucks on taxes. I think most of us would. But we need to demand of our politicians that they provide all people with an opportunity for basic human dignity.

    Oh, and before anyone makes this into a partisan political thing, this is California, one of the bluest states in the country.
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    30 Sep '16 16:223 edits
    Originally posted by sh76
    I'm not going to say this made me cry - that virtually never happens from just reading an article, but it made me sad and angry.

    http://www.vox.com/first-person/2016/9/29/12941348/homeless-over-50-statistic

    Come on Americans (and citizens of anywhere else where this exists). Who are we? Can't we put an end to this sort of thing? Can't we get out act toget ...[text shortened]... is into a partisan political thing, this is California, one of the bluest states in the country.
    A lot of these homeless are in California because the red states sent them here.

    Over the past five years, Nevada's primary state psychiatric hospital has put hundreds of mentally ill patients on Greyhound buses and sent them to cities and towns across America.

    Since July 2008, Rawson-Neal Psychiatric Hospital in Las Vegas has transported more than 1,500 patients to other cities via Greyhound bus, sending at least one person to every state in the continental United States, according to a Bee review of bus receipts kept by Nevada's mental health division.

    About a third of those patients were dispatched to California, including more than 200 to Los Angeles County, about 70 to San Diego County and 19 to the city of Sacramento.


    YouTube : California Is Nice to the Hom...

    It's not enough that CA pays enormous amounts of money to the federal government, more than any other state...we are also expected to take care of the homeless from all over the country.

    http://www.foxnews.com/health/2015/05/14/patient-dumping-in-america-hospitals-discharging-sick-homeless-back-onto-street.html

    According to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), California’s homeless population accounts for 22 percent, or about 136,830 people, of the nation’s total homeless population.
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    30 Sep '16 17:151 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    I'm not going to say this made me cry - that virtually never happens from just reading an article, but it made me sad and angry.

    http://www.vox.com/first-person/2016/9/29/12941348/homeless-over-50-statistic

    Come on Americans (and citizens of anywhere else where this exists). Who are we? Can't we put an end to this sort of thing? Can't we get out act toget ...[text shortened]... is into a partisan political thing, this is California, one of the bluest states in the country.
    How about this, instead of begging corrupt government officials to do something for us, why not get involved in an outreach at the local level?

    Incidentally, I read once that only about 9 cents on the dollar given in taxes helps those in need. Conversely, at a local food pantry, they can pretty much fill it up for a minimal cost. It is run by our church and people will literally bypass other food pantries that are closer so they can come to ours because they are treated better.

    But, if you insist on voting in the continuing zombie apocalypse to solve all of our problems, you may want to stop them first from stealing from Social Security.

    Good luck with that.
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    01 Oct '16 10:511 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    How about this, instead of begging corrupt government officials to do something for us, why not get involved in an outreach at the local level?
    It would be great if such local, private initiatives were sufficient to alleviate poverty.

    They're not.
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    01 Oct '16 11:14
    Originally posted by sh76
    I'll pay a few extra bucks on taxes. I think most of us would.
    You think wrong. A significant proportion of US citizens do not support higher taxes for any reason whatsoever, and most specifically do not support taxes to help the poor. I don't think such people are in a majority, so you do have a hope. The problem is that your political system favours the rich who want lower taxes.

    I suggest getting behind the universal basic income movement.
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    01 Oct '16 12:43
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    It would be great if such local, private initiatives were sufficient to alleviate poverty.

    They're not.
    Food pantries do help alleviate poverty.

    I suppose you mean eradicate poverty. Who has ever done so?
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    01 Oct '16 12:44
    Originally posted by whodey
    Food pantries do help alleviate poverty.

    I suppose you mean eradicate poverty. Who has ever done so?
    For a reply to that question, see the last ten times I gave a reply to that question.
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    Originally posted by twhitehead
    You think wrong. A significant proportion of US citizens do not support higher taxes for any reason whatsoever, and most specifically do not support taxes to help the poor. I don't think such people are in a majority, so you do have a hope. The problem is that your political system favours the rich who want lower taxes.

    I suggest getting behind the universal basic income movement.
    How much higher does everyone want to raise taxes?


    And can we be assured that this big pot of money will not raided like Social Security?


    Finally, what percentage of the money in this big pot of money will actually go to the poor and how can we be sure that they will be frugal with their money instead of doing things like they do in the Pentagon like paying $200,000 for a toilet?
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    01 Oct '16 15:47
    I take it you are one of those that does not support higher taxes.
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    01 Oct '16 18:051 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    I'm not going to say this made me cry - that virtually never happens from just reading an article, but it made me sad and angry.

    http://www.vox.com/first-person/2016/9/29/12941348/homeless-over-50-statistic

    Come on Americans (and citizens of anywhere else where this exists). Who are we? Can't we put an end to this sort of thing? Can't we get out act toget ...[text shortened]... is into a partisan political thing, this is California, one of the bluest states in the country.
    Maybe you should tell this to the 1%, they have most of the money, and don't seem concerned about it at all.
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    02 Oct '16 02:56
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    I take it you are one of those that does not support higher taxes.
    The US has created a $20 trillion debt and nothing to show for it.

    So no, I refuse to further enable thieves in both parties.
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    02 Oct '16 23:52
    Originally posted by sh76
    I'm not going to say this made me cry - that virtually never happens from just reading an article, but it made me sad and angry.

    http://www.vox.com/first-person/2016/9/29/12941348/homeless-over-50-statistic

    Come on Americans (and citizens of anywhere else where this exists). Who are we? Can't we put an end to this sort of thing? Can't we get out act toget ...[text shortened]... is into a partisan political thing, this is California, one of the bluest states in the country.
    If anything were done in this country on a national level about the level of aid given to the homeless, I'm sure every single right-wing media outlet would be screaming that this is "socialism".
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    02 Oct '16 23:54
    Originally posted by whodey
    Food pantries do help alleviate poverty.

    I suppose you mean eradicate poverty. Who has ever done so?
    No one. Because they keep getting attacked for being "socialists".
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    03 Oct '16 00:03
    Originally posted by whodey
    How about this, instead of begging corrupt government officials to do something for us, why not get involved in an outreach at the local level?

    Incidentally, I read once that only about 9 cents on the dollar given in taxes helps those in need. Conversely, at a local food pantry, they can pretty much fill it up for a minimal cost. It is run by our church ...[text shortened]... ems, you may want to stop them first from stealing from Social Security.

    Good luck with that.
    So we'll just turn over everything to "private industry", right?

    Like the way most states have turned their Dept. of Corrections over to private prison corporations, along with higher minimums for drug related offenses so they can keep those prisons filled to the percentage their state legislatures have required by law.

    Like the way most states now have "charter schools" which have funneled nearly all of the dollars earmarked for education into private, for-profit schools.

    Yeah, those two have worked so well.

    You keep saying you're not a Republican. Okay, so you're a Libertarian, obviously, wanting the government's hand out of EVERY pie, in order to maximize profit. Forget about regulations, because who needs clean water? Who needs clean air? All that just gets in the way of shoveling all the money right up to the 1%.

    The Libertarian Dream™ didn't work in Iraq, it didn't work in the Marianas, and it didn't work in New Orleans.
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    Originally posted by Suzianne
    So we'll just turn over everything to "private industry", right?

    Like the way most states have turned their Dept. of Corrections over to private prison corporations, along with higher minimums for drug related offenses so they can keep those prisons filled to the percentage their state legislatures have required by law.

    Like the way most states now ha ...[text shortened]... n Dream™ didn't work in Iraq, it didn't work in the Marianas, and it didn't work in New Orleans.
    Well said!
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