@Rajk999 said - "Had they made the right decision in 1948 and chosen peace instead of war,..."
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Ya just don't get it, do you
You word it as though the Palestinians had a choice. They had no army so they could not fight back even if they tried.
Rajk, there was an ethnic cleansing being conducted by those wonderful immigrant Jews.
The Jews uprooted 800,000 Palestinians from 403 towns and villages. The carnage ended there when neighboring armies intervened.
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Washington Post
"Returning home would prove impossible for an estimated 750,000 Palestinians and their millions of descendants. When Israeli archives opened in the 1980s, records showed how Israeli operations, including psychological-warfare broadcasts, helped drive the exodus.
“The element of surprise, long stints of shelling with extremely loud blasts, and loudspeakers in Arabic proved very effective when properly used,” reads an Israel Defense Forces intelligence report from June 1948 that called Jewish combatants “the main factor” in the exodus."
Now Go Ye forth and multiply
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2023/11/03/israel-nakba-history-1948/
@earl-of-trumps saidWhat you are saying makes no sense. They chose war because they had no army? They did fight back in the War of Independence of 1948. They fought with the armies of Egypt and other surrounding Arab states.
@Rajk999 said - "Had they made the right decision in 1948 and chosen peace instead of war,..."
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Ya just don't get it, do you
You word it as though the Palestinians had a choice. They had no army so they could not fight back even if they tried.
Rajk, there was an ethnic cleansing being conducted by those wonderful immigrant Jews.
The Jews uproot ...[text shortened]... e forth and multiply
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2023/11/03/israel-nakba-history-1948/
Anyway here is part of a Brittanica story:
On November 29, 1947, the United Nations (UN) voted to partition the British mandate of Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state (see United Nations Resolution 181). Clashes broke out almost immediately between Jews and Arabs in Palestine, beginning with the Arab ambush of a bus carrying Jewish passengers from Netanya to Jerusalem on November 30. As British troops prepared to withdraw from Palestine, conflict continued to escalate, with both Jewish and Arab forces committing hostile acts.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Arab-Israeli-wars
Seems to me that first hostile act after the UN approved the Partition Plan on 29th Nov,, was the Arab ambush of a busload of Jews the day after. So what I said that peace could have come after the UN partition. The Jews accepted the plan and the Palestinians did not and they immediately started the war.
Yes, after the War of Independence in 1948 the Jews won and pushed back the Palestinians and annexed the land. People fled. So what? They wanted war. They got it. They lost. They had to get out of there.
Peace is always an option especially when you are a defeated nation.
More from the same site :
On the eve of the British forces’ May 15, 1948, withdrawal, Israel declared independence. The fighting intensified immediately: Egypt launched an aerial assault on Tel Aviv and, the next day, Arab forces from Egypt, Transjordan (Jordan), Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon occupied the areas in southern and eastern Palestine not apportioned to the Jews by the UN partition of Palestine and then captured East Jerusalem, including the small Jewish quarter of the Old City. The Israelis, meanwhile, won control of the main road to Jerusalem through the Yehuda Mountains (“Hills of Judaea&rdquo😉 and successfully repulsed repeated Arab attacks. By early 1949 the Israelis had managed to occupy all of the Negev up to the former Egypt-Palestine frontier, except for the Gaza Strip.
Looks like the Palestinians had an army. So if you can please support this statement with some verifiable facts ..
Rajk, there was an ethnic cleansing being conducted by those wonderful immigrant Jews. The Jews uprooted 800,000 Palestinians from 403 towns and villages. The carnage ended there when neighboring armies intervened.
The neighbouring armies intervened immediately upon the declaration by Israel that they were an independent state. Then the War of Independence started, the Palestinians fled. You seem to have the wrong order of these events.
@Rajk999
The head of the Islamist Hamas movement in Gaza, Yehya al-Sinwar, says its fighters have inflicted heavy losses of life and equipment on Israeli forces in the conflict.
In a letter to the chairman of the Hamas politburo, Ismail Haniya, and other members of the committee, al-Sinwar spoke of a bitter, brutal and unprecedented battle against Israeli forces being fought by the Qassam Brigades, the organization's armed wing.
He asserted that the Qassam Brigades had attacked at least 5,000 Israeli soldiers, killing a third, seriously injuring another third and permanently incapacitating another third.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hamas-chief-gaza-says-fighters-112850753.html
@rajk999 saidFmr. Israeli Foreign Minister: “If I were a Palestinian, I Would Have Rejected Camp David”
What you are saying makes no sense. They chose war because they had no army? They did fight back in the War of Independence of 1948. They fought with the armies of Egypt and other surrounding Arab states.
Anyway here is part of a Brittanica story:
[i]On November 29, 1947, the United Nations (UN) voted to partition the British mandate of Palestine into a Jewish state a ...[text shortened]... y had to get out of there.
Peace is always an option especially when you are a defeated nation.
https://www.democracynow.org/2006/2/14/fmr_israeli_foreign_minister_if_i
Israel started war first and they reneged on about every agreement with the Palestinians in much they way the USA reneged on treaties with native Americans. Israel simply cannot be trusted to honor agreements. After a while it becomes pointless for only one side to honor an agreement when they have learned to expect another betrayal. Then it becomes pointless to even consider another offer for an agreement.
Israel would love another agreement since Israel has no intention of honoring them anyway. More powerful nations are often that way because they can force an outcome. So that leaves only one option, terrorism. Terrorism is the last resort of the underdogs who want to keep their land. It is either that or leave with nothing.
@metal-brain saidWell, great.... good news! They are doing well. Why are people calling for a ceasefire then? I say let the battle continue until one side wins.
@Rajk999
The head of the Islamist Hamas movement in Gaza, Yehya al-Sinwar, says its fighters have inflicted heavy losses of life and equipment on Israeli forces in the conflict.
In a letter to the chairman of the Hamas politburo, Ismail Haniya, and other members of the committee, al-Sinwar spoke of a bitter, brutal and unprecedented battle against Israeli forces being ...[text shortened]... acitating another third.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hamas-chief-gaza-says-fighters-112850753.html
@metal-brain saidWell more good news. Terrorism is the only way, and war is the result. So keep fighting and stop calling for cease fire.
Fmr. Israeli Foreign Minister: “If I were a Palestinian, I Would Have Rejected Camp David”
https://www.democracynow.org/2006/2/14/fmr_israeli_foreign_minister_if_i
Israel started war first and they reneged on about every agreement with the Palestinians in much they way the USA reneged on treaties with native Americans. Israel simply cannot be trusted to honor agreem ...[text shortened]... e last resort of the underdogs who want to keep their land. It is either that or leave with nothing.
@rajk999 saidAgreed. Neither wants a cease fire except to spare children and civilian deaths in general. Hamas mainly wanted one for a prisoner swap.
Well more good news. Terrorism is the only way, and war is the result. So keep fighting and stop calling for cease fire.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/02/gaza-ceasefire-israel-hamas
@metal-brain saidIf Hamas wanted to spare children and civilian deaths, they would have done it. Instead they do the opposite. The Jews are not responsible for that.
Agreed. Neither wants a cease fire except to spare children and civilian deaths in general. Hamas mainly wanted one for a prisoner swap.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/02/gaza-ceasefire-israel-hamas
@happy-chappy saidYou are giving Biden more credit than he deserves. He has no say in when this war ends. This war will end when Israel achieves its goals which is the end of Hamas, and the release of all hostages.
Biden is letting this carry on until Israel are in the hole of no return.
How can this end ?
@metal-brain saidIts too late now, but in the future if you dont want the Jews to kill your children, then dont kill Jewish children. Its simple.
Hamas can stop Israel from killing children? How?
@rajk999 saidBiden is capable of cutting off the generous funding of Israel. He could end the war if he wanted to. Biden said he is a Zionist though. He approves of everything Israel is doing. Biden backed up the lie that Hamas beheaded children. Isn't it obvious he will do nothing except help Israel?
You are giving Biden more credit than he deserves. He has no say in when this war ends. This war will end when Israel achieves its goals which is the end of Hamas, and the release of all hostages.
Israel is a puppet of the empire. It was created to invade the middle east so Jews would suffer the backlash instead of the empire, but the Palestinians are not stupid. They could see Israel was another puppet of the west, so they targeted the Americans for US foreign policy supporting Zionism as well as the Zionist Jews.
You blame Gazan civilians for supporting Hamas to justify killing them. That is exactly the same logic they use when they kill Americans. If the USA is a democracy and the American people are voting in support of Zionism then American voters are to blame, right? Might as well punish them for it, their fault.
Your cousins think they exact same way you do. Why not blame the civilian voters? Kill them. They deserve it. Why do you think Hamas will not release the American hostages? Hamas blames American civilians as much as you blame Gazan civilians for voting for Hamas. But at least you admit Gaza is a democracy by placing blame on civilians too.
There is a problem though. Israel funded Hamas. Doesn't that mean the Israeli officials who sent money to Hamas should be punished too? Maybe you should kill Netanyahu.
https://rumble.com/v41dp61-israel-sent-suitcases-of-cash-into-gaza-for-hamas.html
@metal-brain saidWhat a load of nonsense. In the meantime Gazans are soon going to be extinct. Israel is going to expand its borders, and in 20 yrs the world will forget about Palestinians who once lived in Gaza. Why ? Because many people who should be solving the problem and looking for peace, think like you.
Biden is capable of cutting off the generous funding of Israel. He could end the war if he wanted to. Biden said he is a Zionist though. He approves of everything Israel is doing. Biden backed up the lie that Hamas beheaded children. Isn't it obvious he will do nothing except help Israel?
Israel is a puppet of the empire. It was created to invade the middle east so Je ...[text shortened]... ill Netanyahu.
https://rumble.com/v41dp61-israel-sent-suitcases-of-cash-into-gaza-for-hamas.html