25 Jul 05
http://www.marchforlife.org/
The MARCH FOR LIFE is the collective effort of grassroots prolife Americans to assure that our laws protect the right to life of each human being. An important step is adoption of a Mandatory HUMAN LIFE AMENDMENT to the Constitution of the United States. Such an amendment would require that individuals and society provide protection for the right to life of each human being in existence at fertilization. It would require that State laws conform to the Constitution and provide the same protection. Thus, the Life Principles provide guidance and purpose for the task of the grassroots prolife volunteers in their efforts through an effective education and lobbying program.
25 Jul 05
Originally posted by invigorate
So what.
I say the right to choose is far more important.
Then if want you choose life you can.
But the right wing agenda to scare all vulnerable people is just creeping into all aspects of society.
Where do you draw the line ? Until what age, how many months in utero, can an unborn child be aborted in your view ?
25 Jul 05
20 weeks at a maximum.
Having witnessed my wifes pregancy this year I now realise that a baby is clearly a baby from at least 12 weeks.
However this process also made me realise that those who chose to abort have made a big decision. I'm not encouraging abortion, but if the mother will not be able to cope with a baby, if there possibility of complications or in cases of rape etc, safe legal abortion needs to be an option.
26 Jul 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeDid you make a tax deductible contribution, Ivanhoe?
http://www.marchforlife.org/
The MARCH FOR LIFE is the collective effort of grassroots prolife Americans to assure that our laws protect the right to life of each human being. An important step is adoption of a Mandatory HUMAN LIFE AMENDMENT to the Constitution of the United States. Such an amendment would require that individuals and society provide pr ...[text shortened]... ssroots prolife volunteers in their efforts through an effective education and lobbying program.
26 Jul 05
Originally posted by invigorate20 weeks at maximum.....
20 weeks at a maximum.
Having witnessed my wifes pregancy this year I now realise that a baby is clearly a baby from at least 12 weeks.
However this process also made me realise that those who chose to abort have made a big decision. I'm not encouraging abortion, but if the mother will not be able to cope with a baby, if there possibility of complications or in cases of rape etc, safe legal abortion needs to be an option.
12 weeks--- it's CLEARLY a baby....
maybe we can skip all this speculation and tell it like it is for what it is: at conception, there is life.
and I dont need the government to tell me that, nor do I need religion to tell me that. I honestly dont know how ANY parent (mother or father) could have NO regrets about having an abortion. Sure there are certain situations and circumstances where having the baby is indeed very difficult..... but please dont throw at me all these excuses of rapes and complications when most of the people I know who HAVE had abortions did it out of convenience. That's just plain taking away someones life no matter which way you try to cut it. It's murder. so let's not play guessing games at how many days/weeks/months that it takes for a life to become a life. it's life at conception. there are reasons why there are contraceptives out there.... recently society has taken it even a step further, to where it's now almost completely acceptable to have an abortion. what's next? why not just save money on the abortion, and kill it on its way out at birth?!?
26 Jul 05
Originally posted by lioyankWhat an incredibly rational post!
20 weeks at maximum.....
12 weeks--- it's CLEARLY a baby....
maybe we can skip all this speculation and tell it like it is for what it is: at conception, there is life.
and I dont need the government to tell me that, nor do I need religion to tell me that. I honestly dont know how ANY parent (mother or father) could have NO regrets about having an ...[text shortened]... n. what's next? why not just save money on the abortion, and kill it on its way out at birth?!?
26 Jul 05
Originally posted by lioyankI'm against people going to prison because they decide to have an abortion. That's what you'd have if the Human Life Amendment was passed. Other than that, it's not any of my business or anybody else's if a women wants to abort a non-viable fetus. So mind your P's and Q's and don't have an abortion yourself if you think it's such a terrible thing.
You mind actually giving your point of view on this (though I think I already know what it is) instead of just one-liners?
PS: If you WEREN'T being sarcastic, my sincerest apologies.
26 Jul 05
Originally posted by no1marauderso would you also be in favor of killing the worthless, homeless people on the streets of the major cities. You know, it's our decision anyway, right? what say should they have about what happens to them, since they're not even considered a part of our contributing society? if anything, they're just another mouth to feed, more money out of "us", right? kill 'em all, right?
I'm against people going to prison because they decide to have an abortion. That's what you'd have if the Human Life Amendment was passed. Other than that, it's not any of my business or anybody else's if a women wants to abort a non-viable fetus. So mind your P's and Q's and don't have an abortion yourself if you think it's such a terrible thing.
one more thing: imagine YOU were that "non-viable fetus" as you so describe it. your mother decides to kill you as soon as she realizes you are inside of her. I really do wonder what you have to say about abortion then.... the fact is we would never know.... you would be dead and so would your potential.
26 Jul 05
Originally posted by lioyankSee, ya had to go and jump off the deep end there Lioyank. Now you're just spouting emotional rhetoric. You're trying to paint the person you're arguing with as some type of maniac that would kill homeless people, and then you paint him as the victim that would be killed in the womb by an abortion.
so would you also be in favor of killing the worthless, homeless people on the streets of the major cities. You know, it's our decision anyway, right? what say should they have about what happens to them, since they're not even considered a part of our contributing society? if anything, they're just another mouth to feed, more money out of "us", right? ...[text shortened]... tion then.... the fact is we would never know.... you would be dead and so would your potential.
This is why abortion debates never go anywhere.
26 Jul 05
Originally posted by lioyankWhat an incredibly rational post! I'd reply in more detail, but I'll be busy all day killing homeless people.
so would you also be in favor of killing the worthless, homeless people on the streets of the major cities. You know, it's our decision anyway, right? what say should they have about what happens to them, since they're not even considered a part of our contributing society? if anything, they're just another mouth to feed, more money out of "us", right? ...[text shortened]... tion then.... the fact is we would never know.... you would be dead and so would your potential.
26 Jul 05
Originally posted by wibwib, im not trying to paint anyone any colors; if anything, i would say that you were trying to "paint" me in a "dark shade" with your portrayal of me trying to paint. 🙄
See, ya had to go and jump off the deep end there Lioyank. Now you're just spouting emotional rhetoric. You're trying to paint the person you're arguing with as some type of maniac that would kill homeless people, and then you paint him as the victim that would be killed in the womb by an abortion.
This is why abortion debates never go anywhere.
i wasnt trying to make no1 look like a maniac... the homeless analogy was a bit of an exaggeration. however, the second story of him being killed in the womb is not invalid. he implied that i shouldnt be a hypocrite and "mind my P's and Q's and not have an abortion myself". while i assure you that this would never possible in the first place (not ME literally at least), I would find it hard for no1 NOT to be a hypocrite if he indeed was the baby/life/"non-viable whatever" in question. i doubt he would want to kill himself.... babies (and often times even children) dont have the advantage and/or ability to speak for themselves.... SOMEBODY should stand up for them, even if it's only me.
and yes, you're absolutely correct in your last sentence. abortion debates dont go anywhere.
i can understand how the war in Iraq is debatable. i can understand how there are different ways to approach the situation in the Middle East, and that most of the people that argue their viewpoint are doing it with true conviction that their ideas on how to solve the current problems are the best.
i CAN NOT understand how this issue of abortion is even debatable.
i try to keep an open mind, but sometimes you open up your head just far enough to where your brain pops out.....