Originally posted by steve645Dont think thats true.
There is a scientist here in florida that discovered how to burn water..that's right water, and he even has engineered a car that goes 2oo miles on 4 ounces of H2O! He even can weld with it and showed this. this was 6 months ago and nothing since! I think the oil companies bought him off and are supressing this knowledge as it would cut into their profits. go figure. Big gummint/ special interests
Some people will believe anything.😛🙄😵😴
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Originally posted by StarValleyWyFrom your previous posts, I take you to be an American, I find it amusing that this quote above could have easily been written by an Iraqi. Who would be far more justified as the threat to American life posed by the islamic fundamentalists is nothing compared to the threat to Iraqi life posed by US troops.
I hold people responsible for their governments. I am also not very sympathetic to people who allow dictators to threaten me and my kids. So -- to hell with them. I hold ALL islamo-facists as my enemies and would as soon nuke em' as talk to them. If the "people" of Iran are not facists... then why have they had facist leaders and government since 1979? wondering... What is so "frightening" about facing reality? It is the only one we have.
If there is any nation today which is guilty of the imperialism that characterises facism it is America.
Isn't it wonderful how two groups of religious extermists, whose retoric and ideals are almost identical, have chosen to embriol the rest of us in thier petty theological dispute.
Still it'll all be over soon.
M
Originally posted by mjgdayI think its better the Yanks go in ther Gun ho than be forced to follow Islam.
From your previous posts, I take you to be an American, I find it amusing that this quote above could have easily been written by an Iraqi. Who would be far more justified as the threat to American life posed by the islamic fundamentalists is nothing compared to the threat to Iraqi life posed by US troops.
If there is any nation today which is guilty of t ...[text shortened]... briol the rest of us in thier petty theological dispute.
Still it'll all be over soon.
M
But i understand your point.
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Originally posted by bbi2edit - sorry reply is addressed to SVW
Dont think thats true.
Some people will believe anything.😛🙄😵😴
--What do you suppose is the goal of the islamic facists?
I have to admit, their koran makes it pretty clear that we're either
with them or against them (in which case it's OK to kill us).
But I don't believe that war is the answer. There are a great deal of
good Muslims out there and we are dealing with minorities.
If we want to get to them we're going to have to kill a hell of a lot of
good Muslims (see war in Iraq).
War is truth, NO! War becomes truth once the ideologies are stripped
and the bodies start piling. It is only then that people grasp the realisation
of their words and call it truth.
Yes I believe ALL killing is wrong and yes, I can't see much of a difference
between one type of killing and another. Both sanction the taking of
human life.
Erich Fromm :
There is perhaps no phenomenom that
contains so much destructive feeling as moral
'indignation', which permits envy or hate to
be acted out under the guise of virtue
You want to look into my eyes SVW, you will see that they are glazed.
They're glazed listeing to you talk about humans as 'garbage'. They're glassed over from your
pious sermon on the courage of your murders.
If you stare for a while, you may even see yourself and see that the real
garbage your carrying is the conviction of killers.
Originally posted by Thequ1ckThat was passionate.
edit - sorry reply is addressed to SVW
--What do you suppose is the goal of the islamic facists?
I have to admit, their koran makes it pretty clear that we're either
with them or against them (in which case it's OK to kill us).
But I don't believe that war is the answer. There are a great deal of
good Muslims out there and we are dealing with mino ...[text shortened]... e yourself and see that the real
garbage your carrying is the conviction of killers.
All you need say is that you like terrorists and child killers. It's ok. Just say that you condone through inaction what they do. It's ok. I have already told you and your fellow's that you are a much better person than I. What more do you want?
The killing I support is the killing of people who wantonly kill the innocent. The killing you abhore is both that killing and the killing of the innocent. I think you are pretty typical in todays world. That makes me sad. Selfish to a fault. You WILL NOT sully your pretty hands with blood. Oh no. You are better than everyone. You are a truly civilized person. Those who take out the garbage are evil and don't meet your high ideals of ...
Words fail me. Why do you want human scum to live? To breed more human scum? Are are you an innocent who insists on the divine nature and sanctity of life?
I think we have discovered the major meaning when MY people call YOUR people "Elitists". You are just better than us by virtue. Period.
We are sullied because we take out the garbage.
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Originally posted by vistesdI truly am a "Democrat". I think that if we allow the continuation of evil then evil grows. The total body of humanity DOES have an identifiable composition. In regards to civilizations, I think that when one allows garbage (those who will rape and kill a child or a terrorist who kills for the sake of killing) -- when we allow this to accumulate then the civilization takes on a bad oder. I think that this contributes to war in the following way:
Thanks, SVW. I’m just kind of popping thoughts out here to shamelessly tap your historical understanding (my own being woefully lacking—reading suggestions always welcome; I already have 4 translations of Sun Tzu).
Your underlying point seems to be that our increasing unwillingness (over a long history) to engage in small wars of practical necessity (wh ...[text shortened]... you know exactly where your thinking challenges that “divided mind”—a good thing for me, eh? 🙂
WHEN THE MAJORITY OR NEAR MAJORITY BECOME UNWILLING TO TAKE ON EVIL THEN EVIL WILL EVENTUALLY START A BIG WAR
This seems evident. The thirty years war was what? It was the madness of the Catholic church. Fetid malodorous and lethal. Could the inquisitions have occured without a malignant populace willing to forego what was "right" for what was "safe"?
There are no hard and fast rules. I do think that taking out the garbage leads to a BETTER chance of avoiding big wars. But that is just my own feelings and people much smarter than I -- do think it is wrong to even put child rapists in jail. As you may have read recently. Can a nation be any better than it's judges? That is the question.
I don't think that RELIGION is good or bad. It only becomes bad when garbage takes control of it. Like the inquisitions. Like Islam today. And I won't cut them any slack. In 2001 only 55% of muslims supported terror as a valid tool. Today that number is about 70% and rising. Can you see anything good in our future that would allow you to think that war can be avoided? I can't. I say let's just get er' done now. It will only cost a hundred thousand lives. In twelve years when it DOES happen, the cost will be a hundred million. Minimum.
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Originally posted by StarValleyWyOK SVW, let's take out the garbage. That leaves.
That was passionate.
All you need say is that you like terrorists and child killers. It's ok. Just say that you condone through inaction what they do. It's ok. I have already told you and your fellow's that you are a much better person than I. What more do you want?
The killing I support is the killing of people who wantonly kill the innocent. The just better than us by virtue. Period.
We are sullied because we take out the garbage.
The killing I support is the killing of people
Words fail me
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Originally posted by StarValleyWyYour approach to the understanding of this situation is frighteningly
That was passionate.
All you need say is that you like terrorists and child killers. It's ok. Just say that you condone through inaction what they do. It's ok. I have already told you and your fellow's that you are a much better person than I. What more do you want?
The killing I support is the killing of people who wantonly kill the innocent. The just better than us by virtue. Period.
We are sullied because we take out the garbage.
similar to Nazi propaganda. Firstly dehumanise and then kill with a
means to cleansing.
I see modern Muslims in England who I consider to be fully Westernised
and enjoying the benefits of both a strong family/work ethic,
the luxuries of free speech and the preservation of their culture.
This is a time when even the most sacred of texts and theologies can
be opened to scrutiny with a means to recognising the lies and hypocrisies
that have lead, throughout history, to conflict.
Your proposition will not fix anything. Unless the mechanisms are in
place to stop atrocities, the removal of the weak will only lead to others
filling their place. I believe that deep down somewhere you know this.
At the end of the day all you will have achieved is murder in the name
of revenge.
What is more, the act of condoned killing even of child molestors and
killers weakens the integrity of our society and holds open the
door to hatred and self-destruction.
Don't fool yourself SVW that you're taking out the garbage. You're just
clearing the sweet wrappers from the feet of your elite and piddling on
the floor with the excitement.
Originally posted by Thequ1ckNow wait a damned minute. You are the one "removing the weak" by sticking up for grusome killers. My side tries to kill ONLY these cowards that you support.
the removal of the weak will only lead to others filling their place. I believe that deep down somewhere you know this.
At the end of the day all you will have achieved is murder in the name
of revenge.
What is more, the act of condoned killing even of child molestors and
killers weakens the integrity of our society and holds open the
door to hatred ...[text shortened]... he sweet wrappers from the feet of your elite and piddling on
the floor with the excitement.
Can you ever see the difference? I doubt it.
My side is dedicated to protecting the defenseless and the innocent.
Your side is dedicated to a big old puff fairy who never harms a fly.
The purpose of this thread is to try to examine what is so tough about the notion that WONDERFUL people like yourself see opposing evil as an evil act.
It ain't an easy thing to do because you all seem to shut off your minds and refuse to even acknowledge the difference between killing a child rapist and killing a child.
I wonder why I bother. But it is important. You are too good for me to understand. I try and I try, but your notions -- or more accurately, lack of any notion of right from wrong just boggles my mind.
But I'll keep hammering on it. Because it's important for people to see that Bush was absolutely right. "Either you are for us in this war against terror, or you are against us."
I have a few thoughts about WHY lefties and peace-niks are so fuzzy headed. Let's take a look at a few contradictions.
I have yet to hear you say you oppose killing innocents. Do you?
I think you do, but you are AFRAID to go against evil for fear of being hurt. Unless you concider going against me as your contribution. And you probably do. It fits in well with being a coward. By opposing me, who you know will never harm you, you are alleviating guilt in not opposing true evil. Same as those who like you oppose ALL KILLING but are quite willing to kill unborn humans. Cowardice is like that. You can only oppose the harmless. Never the dangerous.
Originally posted by mjgdayWell, there are actors and there are victims.
From your previous posts, I take you to be an American, I find it amusing that this quote above could have easily been written by an Iraqi. Who would be far more justified as the threat to American life posed by the islamic fundamentalists is nothing compared to the threat to Iraqi life posed by US troops.
If there is any nation today which is guilty of t ...[text shortened]... briol the rest of us in thier petty theological dispute.
Still it'll all be over soon.
M
What you choose has nothing to do with me.
There are universal traits of decency. One is to oppose those who prey on the innocent. Another is to not take umbrage when attacked by simple minded fools. So I respect your views.
M
Originally posted by StarValleyWyVery well said!! I could not agree with you more.
Now wait a damned minute. You are the one "removing the weak" by sticking up for grusome killers. My side tries to kill ONLY these cowards that you support.
Can you ever see the difference? I doubt it.
My side is dedicated to protecting the defenseless and the innocent.
Your side is dedicated to a big old puff fairy who never harms a fly.
Th ...[text shortened]... n humans. Cowardice is like that. You can only oppose the harmless. Never the dangerous.
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Originally posted by StarValleyWy--My side tries to kill these cowards that you support
Now wait a damned minute. You are the one "removing the weak" by sticking up for grusome killers. My side tries to kill ONLY these cowards that you support.
Can you ever see the difference? I doubt it.
My side is dedicated to protecting the defenseless and the innocent.
Your side is dedicated to a big old puff fairy who never harms a fly.
Th n humans. Cowardice is like that. You can only oppose the harmless. Never the dangerous.
I see that in traversing the slippery slope of your intellect I have
accidentally crossed the summit between supporter of pro-life to
supporter of child molestors and killers in one hop.
--The purpose of this thread is to try to examine what is so tough
about the notion that WONDERFUL people like yourself see opposing evil
as an act of evil.
I'm sorry, I'm not sure I follow this. Maybe my English isn't that good.
Did I mention evil? I said that killing people for being killers is hypocritical.
Of course if you introduce evil into it, it becomes just cryptic enough
to allow you to get away with it.
You know SVW, you're one of the only people I've met that can start
in a thread and end up in a noose.
--My side is dedicated to protecting the defenceless and the innocent.
My sides hurt
Originally posted by StarValleyWySomething to pick up on now SVW which you ay find a bit more exciting
Now wait a damned minute. You are the one "removing the weak" by sticking up for grusome killers. My side tries to kill ONLY these cowards that you support.
Can you ever see the difference? I doubt it.
My side is dedicated to protecting the defenseless and the innocent.
Your side is dedicated to a big old puff fairy who never harms a fly.
Th ...[text shortened]... n humans. Cowardice is like that. You can only oppose the harmless. Never the dangerous.
is your enthusiasm for the use of 'we and they'.
This kind of bandwagon echolalia does nothing but encourage the growth
of the 'anti-terrorist' ideological culture.
Bush has put you in a no-win situation. On the one hand he makes
proclamations such as
'Either you are for us in this war against terror, or you are against us'.
and on the other he engages you in a war that cannot equivocally be won
because of its intrinsically impossible-to-define criteria.
The result SVW, if you don't mind handling the follow-through, is the
establishment of a security state with permanent surveillance; biometric
classification; the enstrangement of young elites to Western culture;
the further propogation of religious separatism and an ongoing, unwinnable
war with an endless body count that shakes the very foundation of values
in Western culture.
Why?
So that the US can maintain power by putting forward capricious government
interventions that allow the security network to put in place administrative
rules before the process of law.
Just so you know SVW, I don't consider you harmless. I consider your
opinions to be amongst some of the most harmful and dangerous things in
the world.
StarValleyWy said:
> There are universal traits of decency. One is to oppose those who prey on the innocent. Another is to not take umbrage when attacked by simple minded fools. So I respect your views.
I oppose those who prey on the innocent. Hence I oppose the American Imperialists who are currently stealing Iraqi oil, and other assets.
I'd like to respect your views, but they are so simplistic and blinkered, it's nigh impossible.
It's interesting to note that just before the US attacked Iraq they threatened to accept money for oil in Euro.
Iran has just threatened the same...
M