Originally posted by MacSwainOnce again, a misquote. You have any idea how big Canada is? Why would they send someone from Calgary to Toronto which is about 2000km and a 3 hour plane ride away, when they could go 325km to montana?
Lets calm down 😉
When I read the article, I read that after Calgary did not have capacity, the whole of Canada was looked to before the decision was made to go to Montana.
Also, it's interesting that none of the towns closer to Calgary in the US had space available......😛
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As i've said in other forums, Canada's system isn't perfect and there are other UHC models to choose from. Here's a list from the World Health Organization. See where your country is in 2000. I note the US is only ranked 2 higher than Cuba!
Rank Country
1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
Originally posted by uzlessHere are quotes from the article (by Michelle Lang, CanWest News Service), that led me to post that a check had been made across Canada before sending the mother to Montana.
[b]Once again, a misquote. You have any idea how big Canada is? Why would they send someone from Calgary to Toronto which is about 2000km and a 3 hour plane ride away, when they could go 325km to montana?
"from Calgary to Great Falls, Mont., because of a shortage of neonatal intensive-care beds ACROSS CANADA."
"Jepp is the fifth Alberta woman to be transferred to Great Falls this year because there weren’t enough neonatal beds in Calgary AND ACROSS CANADA"
It was not "once again, a misquote" on my part. If there is a problem take it up with Ms. Lang of CanWest News Service. Obviously you have more info than she.
Originally posted by uzlessDisagreement: Once again you and Michelle Lang of CanWest News Service who penned the article in question disagree. This time Laurie Blakeman also chimes in with an alternative to the "not enough trained nurses yet" story.
[b]Once again, half truths.
"""The health authority says the problem stems from a shortage of specially trained nurses. The authority is currently working to train more staff for the neonatal unit.""""
""Alberta Liberals blamed the problem on health-care cutbacks in the 1990s that have led to a space crunch in all of Calgary’s hospitals.
“I don’t know what they saved back then, but we’re paying now,” said Laurie Blakeman, health-care critic for the party.""
Do you live in Ms. Lang's area of Canada? If so, perhaps you should go and chat her up.
Originally posted by uzlessHmmm...let me see it I can figure this out! Its a really, really tough one 😠 Must get my calculator out 😛 New batteries..ok ready now.
[b]Why would they send someone from Calgary to Toronto which is about 2000km and a 3 hour plane ride away, when they could go 325km to montana?
TO SAVE 150,000!! By jove I think I got it! 😏
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Originally posted by uzlessIt is my understanding (USA residents correct me if wrong) that hospitals in USA (that are not private) must treat everyone who needs care.
[b]40 million Americans don't have health insurance so it would have cost them $200,000.
In which case the un-insured would pay zero.
I think that is why news reports many hospital/emergency care closings in California because of service to un-insured Mexican citizens
*edit - emergency
Originally posted by uzlessI refer you to the philosophy of our favourite leftist and thread creator's recently posted sage advice: 🙂
ncpa? ah yes, DSR's favourite site. I see he has some plebe's. FYI, ncpa get's their data from the Frasier Institute....a highly unreputable source of right wing propoganda in Canada
21 Aug '07 02:55 :: 0 recommendations
Originally posted by AThousandYoung
I prefer to address the points raised rather than attack the person raising them
Originally posted by uzlessIt would be really funny if the Canadians had to build a fence to keep out the illegal immigrants from the US.
You know 99.9% of all healthcare in canada is provided with no bumps in the road.
Yet you lot, pick one specific case out of the thousands of cases each day and say, "Oh look, the whole system is bad"
That'd be like me saying, "oh look, that black man in the US killed a policeman...Geez black men are bad"
or, "That white hick from Texas wears a w ...[text shortened]... ever they needed it? I guarantee you it would be in the thousands, if not millions.
Originally posted by MacSwainOh wow. I'm honored.
I refer you to the philosophy of our favourite leftist and thread creator's recently posted sage advice: 🙂
21 Aug '07 02:55 :: 0 recommendations
Originally posted by AThousandYoung
I prefer to address the points raised rather than attack the person raising them
Originally posted by MacSwainActually, it would cost them 200,000. Problem is that they can't pay that and the hospitals don't even bother to bill them, which means the hospitals go bankrupt. This wouldn't happen in a single payer system unless the whole system bankrupts, which has yet to happen anywhere.
It is my understanding (USA residents correct me if wrong) that hospitals in USA (that are not private) must treat everyone who needs care.
In which case the un-insured would pay zero.
I think that is why news reports many hospital/emergency care closings in California because of service to un-insured Mexican citizens
*edit - emergency
Question for everyone out there, which is worse, bankrupt hospitals or having to move very rare cases to another country because you are temporiraly over capacity ?
(I do agree that the second is bad and shouldn't happen, it is, however, not the sign of a failing health care.)
Originally posted by uzlessWhy do you always resort to name calling whenever the Fraser Institute is mentioned? Does that set off your liberal hot button and cause you to see red? In light of the solid research Fraser conducts, your emotional protestations seem silly. Besides, anyone who's not for gay marriage, single-payer health care or socialism is going to be considered right wing in Canada. Once again I challenge you to refute the facts and not the man.
ncpa? ah yes, DSR's favourite site. I see he has some plebe's. FYI, ncpa get's their data from the Frasier Institute....a highly unreputable source of right wing propoganda in Canada
Originally posted by BartsHospitals don't go bankrupt because uninsured people can't pay their bill. The costs are passed along to those who do have insurance and the insurance companies raise their rates. So, it looks like i'm paying for the uninsured anyway.
Actually, it would cost them 200,000. Problem is that they can't pay that and the hospitals don't even bother to bill them, which means the hospitals go bankrupt. This wouldn't happen in a single payer system unless the whole system bankrupts, which has yet to happen anywhere.
Question for everyone out there, which is worse, bankrupt hospitals or having to ...[text shortened]... second is bad and shouldn't happen, it is, however, not the sign of a failing health care.)
Our Soc, Sec. and Mediare systems are already going bankrupt. So, why not UHC?
Originally posted by smw6869I believe MacSwain when he says hospitals are closing because of a lack of funds. Hospitals can only pass along so many unpaid bills.
Hospitals don't go bankrupt because uninsured people can't pay their bill. The costs are passed along to those who do have insurance and the insurance companies raise their rates. So, it looks like i'm paying for the uninsured anyway.
Our Soc, Sec. and Mediare systems are already going bankrupt. So, why not UHC?
Originally posted by BartsHospitals are closing, Where? The hospitas in the US are expanding and building new out patient clincics all the time. I know of no hospitals closing where i live.
I believe MacSwain when he says hospitals are closing because of a lack of funds. Hospitals can only pass along so many unpaid bills.