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    16 Dec '10 15:48
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    [what happens when you "follow the money" on the Climate Sceptics side] really does not matter.
    But it does, utherpendragon. It does matter. You talked of "junk science" and and urged people to "follow the money". To echo the other poster's question, which scientists do you feel are the least distorted by funding - and by the sources of their funding - and who are thus able to offer objective analysis?
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    17 Dec '10 05:43
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    Not really sure where you're coming from now. Some posts you make are in support of global warming, then you have others like the one on the first page of this thread where you're intoning the opposite.

    Do you really think your personal memory of localized weather conditions in Florida ought to be submitted as evidence--- one way or another--- or were you merely being anecdotal?
    Bump.
  3. Burnsville, NC, USA
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    17 Dec '10 05:55
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    Bump.
    No, the point is that the norms of yesteryear are no longer the norms. 40 degrees in South Florida, which was quite rare, have become a regular occurrence.
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    17 Dec '10 06:011 edit
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    Not really sure where you're coming from now. Some posts you make are in support of global warming, then you have others like the one on the first page of this thread where you're intoning the opposite.

    Do you really think your personal memory of localized weather conditions in Florida ought to be submitted as evidence--- one way or another--- or were you merely being anecdotal?
    Nothing I have said intoned the opposite. You do understand that "Global Warming" does not mean that it is always hotter, right? It means that the average temperature is going up. Because that average temperature is going up it is causing disruptions to the weather patterns, so places that used to never see cold weather are seeing more sever lows than they ever did in the past. Please do a little research into the subject. See what NOAA and NASA have to say on the subject. Pull your head out of the sand, for crying out loud.
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    17 Dec '10 06:151 edit
    Originally posted by CliffLandin
    No, the point is that the norms of yesteryear are no longer the norms. 40 degrees in South Florida, which was quite rare, have become a regular occurrence.
    And when those yesteryear temps were the norms, they were different than their yesteryear norms.

    On average, wintertime lows dip down to near 40 degrees Fahrenheit at Tallahassee in January to 65 °F (18 °C) in Key West while daytime highs range from 64 °F (18 °C) at Tallahassee to 77 °F (25 °C) at Miami. Predominant easterly winds across southern Florida keep temperates moderate during the winter, as the nearby Gulf Stream modifies cooler air moving in from the northeast and east. El Niño winters tend to be cooler due to increased cloud cover, but tend to have fewer freezes. Despite its warm, southern location, there have been freezes detrimental to citrus production in North and Central Florida's history in the years 1835, 1894-1895, 1899, 1917, 1934, 1940, 1957, 1962, 1977, 1981, 1983, 1985, 1986 and 1989. The record low temperature for Florida was -2 °F (-19 °C) at Tallahassee in 1899. In February 2010, the USDA declared that 59 (out of 67) Florida counties were "primary natural disaster areas." This happened when the temperature falls below 28 degrees for 4 hours, where crops are being grown.

    Wiki quoting from Southeast Regional Climate Center


    You were saying?
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    17 Dec '10 12:25
    Originally posted by CliffLandin
    You do understand that "Global Warming" does not mean that it is always hotter, right? It means that the average temperature is going up. Because that average temperature is going up it is causing disruptions to the weather patterns, so places that used to never see cold weather are seeing more sever lows than they ever did in the past.
    While most people are aware of this, wasn't Freaky's objection that you were resorting to anecdotal evidence about particular present-day winter temperatures in a particular location to make your point? The same logic is used by global-warming deniers who could look out of the window at the snow here in London and say, "Damn, it's cold. Must disprove the theory of global warming."
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    17 Dec '10 17:06
    Originally posted by Teinosuke
    While most people are aware of this, wasn't Freaky's objection that you were resorting to anecdotal evidence about particular present-day winter temperatures in a particular location to make your point? The same logic is used by global-warming deniers who could look out of the window at the snow here in London and say, "Damn, it's cold. Must disprove the theory of global warming."
    Ditto. And more to the other, finer, point: when is a change in the temperature significant?
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    18 Dec '10 17:35
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    And when those yesteryear temps were the norms, they were different than their yesteryear norms.

    On average, wintertime lows dip down to near 40 degrees Fahrenheit at Tallahassee in January to 65 °F (18 °C) in Key West while daytime highs range from 64 °F (18 °C) at Tallahassee to 77 °F (25 °C) at Miami. Predominant easterly winds across southern ...[text shortened]... n.

    Wiki quoting from Southeast Regional Climate Center


    You were saying?
    Your point is correct, anecdotal evidence is neither proof of, nor an argument against Global Warming. However, your post is not pertinent to what I was saying. You are citing North/Central Florida weather as an example of South Florida weather. I may not have made it clear that I was speaking of South Florida but I'm pretty sure that I did. What you are citing is like citing San Fran weather as example of L.A. Also the cited North and Central Florida freezes where usually one or two days. Never weeks on end as we have seen in the last couple of year.

    But, regardless, you are correct.
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