Debates
06 Jun 13
This is the basic debate going on today, isn't it? Liberals make cartoonish caricatures of conservatives and Republicans as these evil creatures torn between stealing candy from babies and kicking the canes out from grannies crossing the street so they can run them over. Conservatives have their flaws, to be sure - I'm not sure what they are but if I thought hard enough I could come up with some.
I don't know how anyone can defend the size and scope of government in a month that has seen the IRS target political enemies, the Department of Justice attack a free press, the State Department tell lies to the American people about the deaths of four Americans, the IRS reveal that it spent $49 million on conferences in two years, including Star Trek spoofs, first-class airfare, and $3,500-a-night presidential suites at a time when many Americans were losing their jobs, health benefits, pensions, and economic security. And today the revelation that the NSA is monitoring the communications of presumably every American, but certainly every Verizon customer.
no1, moonbat, Bill - are these the actions of a good government in a democracy? Is this behavior by your government defensible to you? If so, how?
06 Jun 13
Originally posted by sasquatch672Regardless of whether the charges are indefensible, Republicans are still worse.
This is the basic debate going on today, isn't it? Liberals make cartoonish caricatures of conservatives and Republicans as these evil creatures torn between stealing candy from babies and kicking the canes out from grannies crossing the street so they can run them over. Conservatives have their flaws, to be sure - I'm not sure what they are but if I ...[text shortened]... vernment in a democracy? Is this behavior by your government defensible to you? If so, how?
06 Jun 13
Originally posted by rwingettWith this attitude the Federal government can do what it wants. People like you give the Democrats a free ticket, while similar people on the right give the Republicans a free ride.
Regardless of whether the charges are indefensible, Republicans are still worse.
06 Jun 13
Originally posted by sasquatch672Mr. Sasquatch- I agree with some of what you're saying here, but before you go too far down this path, you might consider the following:
This is the basic debate going on today, isn't it? Liberals make cartoonish caricatures of conservatives and Republicans as these evil creatures torn between stealing candy from babies and kicking the canes out from grannies crossing the street so they can run them over. Conservatives have their flaws, to be sure - I'm not sure what they are but if I ...[text shortened]... vernment in a democracy? Is this behavior by your government defensible to you? If so, how?
1. Conservatives make just as many cartoonish caricatures of Liberals, as big government thugs, hellbent on invading everyone's privacy, and turning America into the USSR.
2. Many of these government intrusions into our privacy were happening during the George W Bush administration, all in the name of "national security"
3. The IRS spent 49 million on confrences on 2 years? Oh...I suppose the IRS wasted 0 dollars during the reign of "W" huh...NOT! I guess we're not supposed to talk about the untold billions wasted by "W" in that unnecessary Iraq invasion. (Have they found any of those weapons of mass destruction yet???)
4. If you're referring to the events at Benghazi, yes, the Obama administration does have some explaining to do in this area, but how does that compare to wasting 4000+ brave American soldiers lives searching for weapons of mass destruction (that were not there!)
5. I don't recall anyone in Obama's administration leaking the name of a member of our intellegence community, just because she and her husband disagrees with the present administrations political views, ala Valorie Plame.
The Obama administration is not innocent or perfect, but you didn't seem to have problems with some of these items during the reign of George W Bush, so...why the change of heart? (it wouldn't be because Obama has a "D" after his name, would it??) Since folks on your side of the political aisle are just as guilty in many of these areas, I wouldn't be ranting too loudly, if I were you. (Now are you still having problems recalling any Conservative flaws??)😏
06 Jun 13
Originally posted by sasquatch672In the UK under Harold Wilson's Labour government in the late 1960s, the highest income tax rate was 90%. In 1971, the Conservative government cut the top rate to 75%. On returning to office in 1974, Wilson put it back up to 83%. Coupled with a 15% surcharge on investment and dividends, this created a maximum income tax rate of 98%.
I don't know how anyone can defend the size and scope of government...
In these days when maximum tax rates are no more than 40 or 50%, I find it pretty amazing that the political right is still complaining about the size and scope of government. Reagan and Thatcher won that war. Why are you still fighting it?
06 Jun 13
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Originally posted by bill718You don't go back far enough on this site to remember my rants against George Bush. I'm on a plane right now - USAir 895 from Chicago to Philadelphia. I'll address each of your points in detail tomorrow, but the long and the short of my response is, you're 100% right on each point.
Mr. Sasquatch- I agree with some of what you're saying here, but before you go too far down this path, you might consider the following:
1. Conservatives make just as many cartoonish caricatures of Liberals, as big government thugs, hellbent on invading everyone's privacy, and turning America into the USSR.
2. Many of these government intrusions into o e you. (Now are you still having problems recalling any Conservative flaws??)😏
07 Jun 13
Originally posted by TeinosukeTax rates of 90% were always a joke. Nobody actually paid those rates. Who, in his right mind, would continue to work and earn if 98% were confiscated? If find it difficult to understand why people continue to fork over 50%, and the truth is that they don't even at that level they find shelters, and loopholes.
In the UK under Harold Wilson's Labour government in the late 1960s, the highest income tax rate was 90%. In 1971, the Conservative government cut the top rate to 75%. On returning to office in 1974, Wilson put it back up to 83%. Coupled with a 15% surcharge on investment and dividends, this created a maximum income tax rate of 98%.
In these days when m ...[text shortened]... size and scope of government. Reagan and Thatcher won that war. Why are you still fighting it?