@wildgrass saidNah...I think it should be legal to have your own server in your basement and store all govt business there.
Is it a good idea to enforce laws related to the handling of classified information?
@mott-the-hoople saidThey're both crimes. You're a hopeless partisan hack!
Nah...I think it should be legal to have your own server in your basement and store all govt business there.
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@wildgrass saidBefore falling for this false "whataboutism", you should read FBI Director Comey's statement on July 5, 2016: https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system
They're both crimes. You're a hopeless partisan hack!
Note in particular:
"In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here."
The portions in bold alone clearly distinguish her case from Trump's indictment (there are other differences as well but that should suffice).
@no1marauder saidI understand there are differences, but if what Mott says is true and provable then it's a crime too. Laws related to the handling of classified information should always be taken seriously, regardless of the person or political affiliation of that person.
Before falling for this false "whataboutism", you should read FBI Director Comey's statement on July 5, 2016: https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system
Note in particular:
"In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of c ...[text shortened]... uish her case from Trump's indictment (there are other differences as well but that should suffice).
It's seems now we have a lot of "back the blue" defenders of law enforcement who are suddenly in favor of loopholes and exceptions so criminals can walk free.
@mott-the-hoople saidWell, you're halfway to normal since SoSs Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice did exactly that.
Nah...I think it should be legal to have your own server in your basement and store all govt business there.
@Metal-Brain
It doesn't matter what we say, you just move the goalpost making it look like you are winning some kind of debate, but you don't debate, just post some idiotic ultrarightwing BS site and think you just won something.
The truth is you keep looking more and more like a fool.
@metal-brain saidJust read any thread about the beginning fof Covid for example.
@sonhouse
Stop lying. I have been debating.
When did I move the goal post? What did I say that made me look like a fool?
But you could also just read any thread in which you posted. You normally look like a fool, especially when claiming that other people "lie" where "err" or "are misinformed" would suffice. Or when you claim bnever to have posted anything in eror yourself. O that would be lie, wouldn't it?
@ponderable saidI never said anything about covid on this thread.
Just read any thread about the beginning fof Covid for example.
But you could also just read any thread in which you posted. You normally look like a fool, especially when claiming that other people "lie" where "err" or "are misinformed" would suffice. Or when you claim bnever to have posted anything in eror yourself. O that would be lie, wouldn't it?
You are on the wrong thread.
@no1marauder saidTrump will not be convicted of 31 counts of Willful Retention of National Defense Information. What Trump did was not stealing documents like Harold Martin did. So let's just take those 31 off the list.
The charges are:
31 counts of Willful Retention of National Defense Information (18 U.S.C. § 793(e))
1 count each of:
Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice (18 U.S.C. § 1512(k)
Withholding a Document or Record (18 U.S.C. §§ 1512(b)(2)(A), 2)
Corruptly Concealing a Document or Record (18 U.S.C. §§ 1512(c)(l), 2)
Concealing a Document in a Federal Investigation (18 u. ...[text shortened]... ceal (18 U.S.C. §§ lO0l(a)(l), 2)
False Statements and Representations (18 U.S.C. §§ 1001(a)(2), 2)
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/government-contractor-facing-federal-indictment-willful-retention-national-defense
Which of the remaining 6 charges do you think he will be convicted of?
@metal-brain saidDid you read the indictment?
Trump will not be convicted of 31 counts of Willful Retention of National Defense Information. What Trump did was not stealing documents like Harold Martin did. So let's just take those 31 off the list.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/government-contractor-facing-federal-indictment-willful-retention-national-defense
Which of the remaining 6 charges do you think he will be convicted of?
@metal-brain said"... on this thread."
I never said anything about covid on this thread.
You are on the wrong thread.
Goalpost moved.
@metal-brain saidActually what Trump did is exactly the same as what Martin did:
Trump will not be convicted of 31 counts of Willful Retention of National Defense Information. What Trump did was not stealing documents like Harold Martin did. So let's just take those 31 off the list.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/government-contractor-facing-federal-indictment-willful-retention-national-defense
Which of the remaining 6 charges do you think he will be convicted of?
"Martin allegedly retained stolen documents containing classified information relating to the national defense at his residence and in his vehicle. Martin knew that the stolen documents contained classified information that related to national defense and that he was never authorized to retain these documents at his residence or in his vehicle."
Martin got 9 years in Federal prison. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-government-contractor-sentenced-nine-years-federal-prison-willful-retention-national
The only real difference in the cases in that the Feds treated Trump incredibly leniently in essentially offering to give him a pass on criminal charges if he simply returned the documents, which he refused to voluntarily do.
@no1marauder said"The only real difference in the cases in that the Feds treated Trump incredibly leniently in essentially offering to give him a pass on criminal charges if he simply returned the documents, which he refused to voluntarily do."
Actually what Trump did is exactly the same as what Martin did:
"Martin allegedly retained stolen documents containing classified information relating to the national defense at his residence and in his vehicle. Martin knew that the stolen documents contained classified information that related to national defense and that he was never authorized to retain these docume ...[text shortened]... a pass on criminal charges if he simply returned the documents, which he refused to voluntarily do.
What is your source of information?