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  1. 05 Jun '13 17:37
    I watched this documentary about Monsanto and found it to be informative and interesting. I know that some documentaries can be biased and misleading so I thought I would run it by all of you to see if any of you think some of the information in it should be questioned.

    http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-world-according-to-monsanto/

    Is Monsanto as bad as this film suggests?
  2. 05 Jun '13 17:42
    Originally posted by Metal Brain

    Is Monsanto as bad as this film suggests?
    No.
  3. 05 Jun '13 17:49
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    No.
    Have you seen the film?
  4. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    05 Jun '13 17:55
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    I watched this documentary about Monsanto and found it to be informative and interesting. I know that some documentaries can be biased and misleading so I thought I would run it by all of you to see if any of you think some of the information in it should be questioned.

    http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-world-according-to-monsanto/

    Is Monsanto as bad as this film suggests?
    Monsanto is at least as bad, and probably worse. The breadth and depth of their evil eclipses all previous examples. Monsanto has managed to largely fly under the radar for decades, but you're going to be hearing a lot more about them going forward.
  5. 05 Jun '13 18:57
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    Have you seen the film?
    Not a second. Unfortunately, the tiresome obsession with Monsanto of the unholy alliance of conspiracy nuts and ecoterrorists has made sure that even legitimate criticism gets drowned in a maelstrom of incessant emocutting and paranoid technophobia, so I don't expect it to be worth my time.
  6. 05 Jun '13 19:40
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Not a second. Unfortunately, the tiresome obsession with Monsanto of the unholy alliance of conspiracy nuts and ecoterrorists has made sure that even legitimate criticism gets drowned in a maelstrom of incessant emocutting and paranoid technophobia, so I don't expect it to be worth my time.
    That is very close minded of you. When I watched the film even I was surprised at the depth of corruption that I was able to verify.
  7. 05 Jun '13 20:52
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    I watched this documentary about Monsanto and found it to be informative and interesting. I know that some documentaries can be biased and misleading so I thought I would run it by all of you to see if any of you think some of the information in it should be questioned.

    http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-world-according-to-monsanto/

    Is Monsanto as bad as this film suggests?
    Nearly two hours in length. Sorry, but I need some kind of synopsis to induce me to devote that much of my remaining time on the planet to it.
  8. 05 Jun '13 21:02
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Monsanto is at least as bad, and probably worse. The breadth and depth of their evil eclipses all previous examples. Monsanto has managed to largely fly under the radar for decades, but you're going to be hearing a lot more about them going forward.
    Your recommendation of it is almost enough to make me consider it in the same vein as the occupy movement.

    You seem to wish that we could return to the glory days of the hunter gatherer tribe, or perhaps to serfdom, or perhaps eliminating the for profit nature of corporations, and just put the government in charge?

    Where do you see the perfect or best blend of social cooperation?
  9. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    05 Jun '13 21:07
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Where do you see the perfect or best blend of social cooperation?
    I'm not sure I understand your question. Please clarify.
  10. 05 Jun '13 21:10
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    I watched this documentary about Monsanto and found it to be informative and interesting. I know that some documentaries can be biased and misleading so I thought I would run it by all of you to see if any of you think some of the information in it should be questioned.

    http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-world-according-to-monsanto/

    Is Monsanto as bad as this film suggests?
    in a word no, in a few, why is a company out to make cheap food demonised??
  11. 05 Jun '13 21:59
    I think the question for anti Monsanto folk is not are they bad - there are plenty much worse - rather how much super processed crops / dairy do we want to eat? we need them as feed for animals, no choice, but how much do we want? I think its important to have quality / organic even grains - but actually I don't see Monsanto rivalling this - you can buy them , other companies like quaker make lots.
  12. 05 Jun '13 22:08
    Originally posted by rwingett
    I'm not sure I understand your question. Please clarify.
    I listed in the prelude to the question several levels of social cooperation.

    What do you see as the perfect, or best blend of social cooperation?

    1. the tribal hunter gatherer, or even autarkic individuals or families.
    No social cooperation here.

    2. feudal farming, serfs, include slaves as a subset of this
    The workers are disempowered due to lack of ownership.

    3. private property, division of labor, and use of capital to promote greater efficiency
    Basic capitalism

    4. government ownership or at least total control over the means of production.
    Basic planned economy, socialism, fascism, communism

    All except the first involve social cooperation. What works best in your opinion, and what are the pitfalls which lead to a Monsanto?
  13. 05 Jun '13 22:10
    Originally posted by e4chris
    I think the question for anti Monsanto folk is not are they bad - there are plenty much worse - rather how much super processed crops / dairy do we want to eat? we need them as feed for animals, no choice, but how much do we want? I think its important to have quality / organic even grains - but actually I don't see Monsanto rivalling this - you can buy them , other companies like quaker make lots.
    Modified food used as animal feed reaches humans just the same. Being omnivores, humans get whatever crops are fed, and whatever animals are fed.
  14. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    05 Jun '13 23:07
    Originally posted by normbenign
    I listed in the prelude to the question several levels of social cooperation.

    What do you see as the perfect, or best blend of social cooperation?

    1. the tribal hunter gatherer, or even autarkic individuals or families.
    No social cooperation here.

    2. feudal farming, serfs, include slaves as a subset of this
    The workers are disempowered due to ...[text shortened]... operation. What works best in your opinion, and what are the pitfalls which lead to a Monsanto?
    Something similar to no. 1. A federation of small, autonomous, self-managing communities of individuals (c. 250 people) that practice a certain degree of self sufficiency (especially in food production), but that do not necessarily aspire toward autarky. Basically, I think the ideal blend of social cooperation would be modeled after the Hutterite communities, except allowing for a broader spectrum of society.