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  1. SubscriberWajoma
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    04 Feb '18 08:541 edit
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    I guess you could research "Libertarianism" on he internet rather than ask a bunch of chess players?
    suzi made a statement:

    ...was too stupid to notice all the Libertarians in his administration behind the curtain

    This is the first I've heard of these mysterious libertarians, do you know who they are?


    So she either has an idea about what she's talking about or she doesn't have any idea what she's saying. We know which it is for you.
  2. SubscriberSuzianne
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    04 Feb '18 09:081 edit
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    I guess you could research "Libertarianism" on he internet rather than ask a bunch of chess players?
    This wouldn't help.

    American Libertarianism has precious little to do with classic libertarianism, as I have repeatedly said in this forum. American Libertarianism is just 'hyper-conservatism', or just 'neoconservatism'.

    From Wikipedia:
    "Neoconservatives peaked in influence during the administration of George W. Bush, when they played a major role in promoting and planning the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Prominent neoconservatives in the George W. Bush administration included Paul Wolfowitz, Elliott Abrams, Richard Perle, and Paul Bremer. Senior officials Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, while not identifying as neoconservatives, listened closely to neoconservative advisers regarding foreign policy, especially the defense of Israel and the promotion of American influence in the Middle East.

    "The term 'neoconservative' refers to those who made the ideological journey from the anti-Stalinist left to the camp of American conservatism. Neoconservatives typically advocate the promotion of democracy and American national interest in international affairs, including by means of military force and are known for espousing disdain for communism and for political radicalism."

    As you can see, this does not have anything to do with classic Libertarianism, but is remarkably close to American Libertarianism. As I have said repeatedly, the two are different critters altogether.
  3. SubscriberWajoma
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    04 Feb '18 11:55
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    This wouldn't help.

    American Libertarianism has precious little to do with classic libertarianism, as I have repeatedly said in this forum. American Libertarianism is just 'hyper-conservatism', or just 'neoconservatism'.

    From Wikipedia:
    "Neoconservatives peaked in influence during the administration of George W. Bush, when they played a major role ...[text shortened]... American Libertarianism. As I have said repeatedly, the two are different critters altogether.
    You would be more coherent if you used the term "american libertarianism which is not libertarianism in my opinion" everytime you refer to "american libertarianism" (which is not libertarianism, in your opinion).

    What is more, after some googling it seems your definition of american libertarianism as being hyper-conservatism looks like something you made up. And that you have stretched it even further from hyper conservatism to neo-con which is as far from libertarianism (american or not) as socialism. The wiki that you quote does no such gymnastics and doesn't give your story any credence. The folk listed in it are not libertarian , nor are they american libertarian.
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    04 Feb '18 12:27
    Originally posted by @shavixmir
    Survive the abortion.
    At least libertarians are born instead of defecated out into a toilet like other people seem to be.
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    04 Feb '18 14:35
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    This wouldn't help.

    American Libertarianism has precious little to do with classic libertarianism, as I have repeatedly said in this forum. American Libertarianism is just 'hyper-conservatism', or just 'neoconservatism'.

    From Wikipedia:
    "Neoconservatives peaked in influence during the administration of George W. Bush, when they played a major role ...[text shortened]... American Libertarianism. As I have said repeatedly, the two are different critters altogether.
    RACIST!
  6. Standard membershavixmir
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    11 Feb '18 14:58
    Originally posted by @wajoma
    You would be more coherent if you used the term "american libertarianism which is not libertarianism in my opinion" everytime you refer to "american libertarianism" (which is not libertarianism, in your opinion).

    What is more, after some googling it seems [b]your
    definition of american libertarianism as being hyper-conservatism looks like something yo ...[text shortened]... ry any credence. The folk listed in it are not libertarian , nor are they american libertarian.[/b]
    So, let’s measure the viewpoints of libertarians and alt-right people on a case to case basis:

    Obamacare?
    Lowering taxes?
    Less immigration?
    A pro-abortion bill?
    Emmission caps to save the environment?
    Legalization of heroin?
    Start a war to support Israel?

    Well, yay or nay?
    What would the alt-right vote on the issues above? And what would a libertarian vote?
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