Originally posted by scherzoActually you asked me the question, but only after you made a statement from which the question doesn't logically follow.
I asked you a question. Whose wall is it? Is it Hamas'? Or the PFLP's?
"On the other hand, no Israeli settlers or soldiers are willing to make peace with Israel".
What does this mean, and what has it to do with who owns the wall?
Originally posted by SleepyguyOhhhh ... I see. I made a mistake. My statement was supposed to say "... make peace with Palestine." Sorry about that confusion there.
Actually you asked me the question, but only after you made a statement from which the question doesn't logically follow.
"On the other hand, no Israeli settlers or soldiers are willing to make peace with Israel".
What does this mean, and what has it to do with who owns the wall?
Originally posted by generalissimoNo.
Don't you think palestine, or more especifically, the extremist palestinians should stop with the attacks and threats first?
You can't ethnically cleanse half a population and then expect them to take the first steps in amending the resulting situation.
I'm sure that if the UN gave the most fertile parts of the US to Mexico and that Mexico took over another 50% of the US just for good measure, that you wouldn't be too happy either.
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Originally posted by shavixmir[CENSORED]
No.
You can't ethnically cleanse half a population and then expect them to take the first steps in amending the resulting situation.
I'm sure that if the UN gave the most fertile parts of the US to Mexico and that Mexico took over another 50% of the US just for good measure, that you wouldn't be too happy either.
Originally posted by scherzooh, yes.
Can you really blame us for what they did to us?
If one looks at the Palestine Mandate territory the British divided up, the original percentage of territory jerrymandered into Arab and Jewish states, what became Israel was and remains a small proportion of the total.
Israel came to be and expanded as the proximate result of Arab intransigence, aggression and simple failure to come to terms. Much of that was and still is due to outside parties in the Arab world that clearly have never shown the Arabs living within the territory known as Palestine any love.
The Arabs who now call themselves Palestinians (a term that is meant to exclude Jews) have been pawns in a Middle East chess game going back a long long time.
When you lose your pieces, you don't get to put them back on the board.
You can, however, offer a draw.
It is long past time for the Arabs who want to pursue happiness in prosperity and liberty to sit down and get that done.
Originally posted by Seitsewell, he is an idiot, an ignoramus and a liar.
You're an idiot. Certified.
Stupid nazi. I hope you burn in hell together with all Palestinians.
But he's not a nazi -- he is a left wing fool, or thinks he is.
He is stupid.
But the last sentence is over the top.
I'd rather the so-called Palestinians made a deal and got statehood and freedom from their corrupt leaders, so they could build an economy in concert with the rest of the region. I wish the same for Israelis.
As for shav -- leave him to simmer in his own clearly unhappy world.
Originally posted by ScriabinYou're right. Nazi was too much.
well, he is an idiot, an ignoramus and a liar.
But he's not a nazi -- he is a left wing fool, or thinks he is.
He is stupid.
But the last sentence is over the top.
I'd rather the so-called Palestinians made a deal and got statehood and freedom from their corrupt leaders, so they could build an economy in concert with the rest of the region. I wi ...[text shortened]... the same for Israelis.
As for shav -- leave him to simmer in his own clearly unhappy world.
The death part also. Oh, ok, I'll edit before some queer alerts the post.
Originally posted by ScriabinWell said scriabin.
well, he is an idiot, an ignoramus and a liar.
But he's not a nazi -- he is a left wing fool, or thinks he is.
He is stupid.
But the last sentence is over the top.
I'd rather the so-called Palestinians made a deal and got statehood and freedom from their corrupt leaders, so they could build an economy in concert with the rest of the region. I wi ...[text shortened]... the same for Israelis.
As for shav -- leave him to simmer in his own clearly unhappy world.
Originally posted by ScriabinWhat are you talking about? The partition was not followed, and even if it was, it wasn't fair!
oh, yes.
If one looks at the Palestine Mandate territory the British divided up, the original percentage of territory jerrymandered into Arab and Jewish states, what became Israel was and remains a small proportion of the total.
Israel came to be and expanded as the proximate result of Arab intransigence, aggression and simple failure to come to terms ...[text shortened]... the Arabs who want to pursue happiness in prosperity and liberty to sit down and get that done.
And you are correct in your assertion that most Arab governments (Egypt and Jordan especially) consider Palestinians nothing more than a nuisance. That does not mean that Palestinians are willing to put up with it.
Originally posted by ScriabinNo. Sietse is the Nazi in this equation. Israel is the fascist state. Don't call people what defines you.
well, he is an idiot, an ignoramus and a liar.
But he's not a nazi -- he is a left wing fool, or thinks he is.
He is stupid.
But the last sentence is over the top.
I'd rather the so-called Palestinians made a deal and got statehood and freedom from their corrupt leaders, so they could build an economy in concert with the rest of the region. I wi ...[text shortened]... the same for Israelis.
As for shav -- leave him to simmer in his own clearly unhappy world.
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Originally posted by scherzoI ask folks, what does it take? The answer is going to be truly terrible if most of the Arab side of this dispute can be said to be comprised of folks as bright and reasonable as our dear scherzo.
What are you talking about? The partition was not followed, and even if it was, it wasn't fair!
And you are correct in your assertion that most Arab governments (Egypt and Jordan especially) consider Palestinians nothing more than a nuisance. That does not mean that Palestinians are willing to put up with it.
These people do not seem to realize that playing Arab macho games up against a modern trained Army and Air Force equipped to the gills with the latest and most terrible weapons in virtually unlimited amounts is asking for the Gaza and Lebanon operations times a factor of 10.
What would happen if the restraints put on the Israeli forces were lifted and they conducted operations as the USA, Britain and their allies did in WWII against Germany and Japan? Not that the Axis powers hadn't asked for it -- they did.
Now, even a cursory, basic and elementary school understanding of how WWII turned out might give one a clue. You might be able to understand that those who win such wars call the shots, the losers do not. If the losers continue to put up resistance, there will come a point where the winners will simply turn them into a parking lot.
The more sensible Arab leaders are on a path that will avoid this. The Iranian stooges and the mentally challenged, like our dear dance number here, are going to get squashed by a tank.
And they've asked for it. They have made Israelis in their 20s hate them. What a terrible mistake. I've spoken with young Israelis and nothing I say to them erases the image in their minds of the youngsters killed in pizza parlors and dance halls, and on buses, in school yards by these "brave, macho, fearless" freedom fighters.
One tries to explain that everyone has a beef, and everyone has grievances, and we all should sit down and work things out peacefully. But the hatred is palpable.
The Arab leadership knows this. They know that if they don't start cooling things down, people like Bibi and Avigdor will do things that are unimaginably terrible -- except that such things already have been done by Arabs to their own.
What I'm afraid of is Hama all over again. I'd love to hear an Arab explain Hama to me. You see, it worked. Hafez al Assad killed the entire city and took it down below grade and paved it over -- 60,000 dead by some estimates. No more fuss after that. But our dance instructor here won't want to talk about what kind of people run Syria.