Originally posted by agrysonI was referring to Israel.
Not inherently, but then this is not a handout. It is an improvement in infrastructure. It bypasses potential siphoning of funds by less than ideal governments. It gives the good to the people and fosters grass roots support, in that way, the people AND the politicians win.
By building bridges, hospitals, schools, etc. a cost effective way of "winning over ...[text shortened]... in that respect which this news report demonstrates are being learned and better yet applied.
Originally posted by shavixmirYou forgot to mention the part where the sovereign governments of these nations have not solved the problem.
It's a bloody summary!
Do you really think I can drink wine, watch porn, scream at Dutch politics on TV, masturbate and write coherent posts at the same time???
I'm godly, but not define...
Originally posted by MerkYou forget to mention that most of these governments have been puppet governents to the West, without actually having been elected by the proletariate or representing them.
You forgot to mention the part where the sovereign governments of these nations have not solved the problem.
Incidently, making my synapsis quite accurate.
Originally posted by Sam The ShamIn this case, mostly terrorism/warfare. You do know there's war between Ethiopia and Somalian terrorists right?
Why can't these people build their own latrines and fix their own roofs? Pretty small projects, I'd say. Are they retarded, or just too worthless to do it for themselves?
Originally posted by shavixmirAh yes, the old "puppet governments"
You forget to mention that most of these governments have been puppet governents to the West, without actually having been elected by the proletariate or representing them.
Incidently, making my synapsis quite accurate.
Its really cool how westerners have controlled the governments of Somalia, Ethiopia, Eritrea, wait....
Why, I remember from my last Stonemason meeting that our Jewish Masters had ordered us to make trouble in Somalia and make Ethiopia go to war with them. That was after they told us to keep causing problems in Egypt, Jordan, Palestine, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Yemen, Pakistan, Afghanistan, North Korea, Venezuela and Taiwan.
I don't know why they told us to do this, I just know that its what our Jewish Masters told us.
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Originally posted by MerkThe Masons are protestants and certainly not jews.
Ah yes, the old "puppet governments"
Its really cool how westerners have controlled the governments of Somalia, Ethiopia, Eritrea, wait....
Why, I remember from my last Stonemason meeting that our Jewish Masters had ordered us to make trouble in Somalia and make Ethiopia go to war with them. That was after they told us to keep causing problems in Egypt, ...[text shortened]... don't know why they told us to do this, I just know that its what our Jewish Masters told us.
But, besides this...
Egypt - The Suez Canal
Jordan, Palestine, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria - Resources
Pakistan, Afghanistan - routes (ask the British)
Syria - Water
Yemen - don't have a clue where it is
North Korea, Taiwan - Strategic
Venuzuela - resources
Somalia - Coastal strategy
Ethiopia - Strategic (doorway to North-Eastern Africa, large moslim communities)
Ultimately, the masons will give a good WASP a job, but will have very little understanding of world politics.
Originally posted by shavixmirWe just can't stand all those Palestinians getting rich off those Palestinian oil wells.
The Masons are protestants and certainly not jews.
But, besides this...
Egypt - The Suez Canal
Jordan, Palestine, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria - Resources
Pakistan, Afghanistan - routes (ask the British)
Syria - Water
Yemen - don't have a clue where it is
North Korea, Taiwan - Strategic
Venuzuela - resources
Somalia - Coastal strategy
Ethio ...[text shortened]... masons will give a good WASP a job, but will have very little understanding of world politics.
In case you haven't noticed, Afghanistan and Pakistan would be aweful big trouble to secure a route to wherever it is that you think this route would lead us. Remember, we have planes now.
We have our own water. Though we do have a thing for that tasty bottled Syrian water.
North Korea and Taiwan have strategic value? To whom? China perhaps. To us, they're liabilities.
What the hell is a coastal strategy?
On a serious note, didn't the Masons get their start in Scotland?
Originally posted by agrysonYour implications were quite obvious. So, when are you joining the military? I know it's not about me. It's about You. Get to work building whatever. You bleeding heart snot. Got all the answers don't you? Ever try getting involved yourself? I think the US military building bridges could be a good thing. Let them start in the US. We would only have to increase our military 100 fold. Don't forget, we have an all volunteer military. Very few Americans volunteer to join the military these days. Think things thru next time you have a brainstorm.
Read the post just above your one that I've quoted above. See the bit where I say that it's not about the US? That regardless of which nation is doing it it's a good thing? Stop thinking it's all about you and the US, any country choosing to exercise its foreign policy in this way will be doing a good thing.
My whole point is that militaries can be used in ...[text shortened]... 't detract from the benefits for everyone.
Get over yourself. It's not all about you.
Originally posted by smw6869Oh, now you know it's not about you, well at least we got that cleared up. And I need to have been in the military to know that people building things is better than them pointing guns at things? Nice argumentation buddy. I've been involved, yes, just not in a military capacity. No, I don't have all the answers, and haven't claimed or inferred to, just the gut feeling for some strange reason that helpin people out is better than shootin people down, especially if it can be used to obtain similar benefits for the person who would've been holding the gun.
Your implications were quite obvious. So, when are you joining the military? I know it's not about me. It's about You. Get to work building whatever. You bleeding heart snot. Got all the answers don't you? Ever try getting involved yourself? I think the US military building bridges could be a good thing. Let them start in the US. We would only have to increa ...[text shortened]... olunteer to join the military these days. Think things thru next time you have a brainstorm.
And yeah, let the US military build bridges stateside, or wherever the guys in charge feel is a good idea given the numbers available.
As for being a bleeding heart snot? By your apparent definition, cool, thanks. (Once again, nice argumentation!)
Originally posted by AThousandYoungSorry, I hadn't gotten that bit, my bad. I think it's a matter of scale though? Providing infrastructural support could allow a carrot approach rather than a stick one. Tetchy balance between the two tho. Lots of If's though, big ones, and I can't really comment too much, haven't read up on the issue recently.
I was referring to Israel.
Originally posted by agrysonI never said i thought it was all about me. YOU said I thought that ,which is not true. I'm not talking about having been in the military. I,m talking about being there NOW.Buddy! If you see a BUDDY, kick his as and tell him i sent you. I understand it's better to help people than to shoot them. I'm just saying, get off that cloud your floating on , grab a hammer and get to work. Or should my 19 yr old daughter, whose is in the military,do it for you? And take that silly mask off your face. You're a grown man for God's sake! Roll up YOUR sleeves and start building, you bleeding heart, do nothing liberal.
Oh, now you know it's not about you, well at least we got that cleared up. And I need to have been in the military to know that people building things is better than them pointing guns at things? Nice argumentation buddy. I've been involved, yes, just not in a military capacity. No, I don't have all the answers, and haven't claimed or inferred to, just the g ...[text shortened]... ng heart snot? By your apparent definition, cool, thanks. (Once again, nice argumentation!)
Originally posted by smw6869I was referring to you thinking (for a couple of posts that I was speaking exclusively about the US)
I never said i thought it was all about me. YOU said I thought that ,which is not true. I'm not talking about having been in the military. I,m talking about being there NOW.Buddy! If you see a BUDDY, kick his as and tell him i sent you. I understand it's better to help people than to shoot them. I'm just saying, get off that cloud your floating on , grab a h ...[text shortened]... od's sake! Roll up YOUR sleeves and start building, you bleeding heart, do nothing liberal.
As for doing it now, I do, and have done and will do more. Do what you can when you can, right? I'm off to teach physics in the third world as soon as my application is processed, it's already been sent (there's a lot of demand and not a lot of places). While there, part of it will be things like this.
I don't expect the military to do it for us, but would hope they do more of it with us.
The mask is just an image, called an avatar, welcome to the internet, you'll learn lots here.
Originally posted by smw6869I agree it's about the rest of the world pulling together.
OK, but when you say "YOU" does that mean me, the US? You're talking about the rest of the world pulling it's weight also, right?
Unfortunately the mechanism that exists is corrupt, inefficient and fails to understand the economics involved.
It's so hard to see any sort of mechanism that will work. Giving funds to these corrupt leaderships is just asking for trouble.
What I do know for sure is if we ignore the problem we will have to deal with billions, not millions of immigrants on our borders.